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Probably not, you can thank the Supreme Court for that one allowing them to enforce clauses that force people into individual arbitration.

Nothing I was able to find relating to Nevada.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/business/28bizcourt.html

Basically, the court ruled that if you sign a document giving up your right to sue in court and agree to have disputes resolved via individual arbitration, said clause is actually enforceable and you can no longer join a class-action lawsuit. You have to go to arbitration as an individual which is never worth it if the amount you got screwed out of is only a few hundred dollars since you'll spend many times that on legal fees. The issue is basically every service agreement in existence in the US (I haven't seen the PSN agreement, but I'm 99% sure it's in there) has such a clause, which pretty much ends class action lawsuits.

Yea, it looks like the articles I was seeing earlier were referencing the two Canadian class-action suits that have been filed...

awesome. I hope Sony gets bent over a barrel and railed in by an angry syphilitic Rhino over this entire thing.

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They might. I was into Gamestop this afternoon (I had an hour to waste between work and dinner and didn't want to drive home) and the guy was saying he's fielded several calls from people who just want to trade out of their PS3 for a 360.

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Wow, that's pretty awesomely hilarious.

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I want to get rid of my PS3 as well. I am adopting a "lick my taint" attitude toasted that company and their product.

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My possession of a PS3 is likely already a "**** you" to Sony, and I actually like the thing, so I'm in no hurry to be rid of it.

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Heh, it turns out the running "really old versions" rumor was untrue...and the source for it was "something a security expert read on a messageboard somewhere", something the security expert admitted in his letter to Congress.

Google caches have shown Sony using Apache 2.2.17 (the most recent version) for some time now.

I don't understand what you mean here at all.

I think she's under the delusion that Sony cares that she took them up on their loss leading system but isn't playing games for it.

In reality, Sony will eventually make their money back on her use of Bluray.

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I don't know, I hear Crazy Dave's Discount Electronics has some really great prices.

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So, it's pretty obvious there is a lot of angst against Sony here, some of it probably latent (it is in my case).

I'm curious if any of you who are affected by this harbor any ill will towards the hackers (Anonymous, or whoever it is)...?

Sony's contribution is one of ineptitude. The hackers' is one of malice.

So, yeah.

Geohotz on this:

Well, that's an interesting point.

Hackers, either the truly malicious or those who are simply a nuisance, have been around since the dawn of the internet. (Longer, really, but we have to restrict ourselves to a particular time period). They don't just go after Sony. As I alluded to earlier, the PSN is not the first network to come under attack.

Sony did more than simply present a target. Sony deliberately provoked them repeatedly over the past ten years. I don't mean they provoked harkers the way a hooker wearing a miniskirt provokes a rape. I mean they provoked hackers the way a belligerent loudmouth at a football game provokes a fan of the opposing team into a fist fight. It's one thing to attempt to protect your intellectual property, but Sony is one of the parties that has been suing people without regards to whether they actually committed any copyright violations. Sony at one point even seized control of their customers' personal computers. Perhaps some of you remember the rootkit fiasco?

Not only does Sony have no respect for fair use rights, they have proven that they have no respect for their customers' privacy and property rights. This puts Sony rather firmly in the malicious hacker camp themselves. Other groups, like Anonymous for instance, are fairly low profile. That may sound odd, but consider that Anonymous has not yet sold malware at retail stores for $20 a disc.

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Sony can't compete with these people. It's effectively guerilla warfare.

They only kind of battles Sony knows how to fight are in the courtroom, and they don't even know who to sue/prosecute.

Even if they found the individuals responsible, if they go after them, they only invite a thousand more to come fill in the ranks behind them.

1) You should read your sources more closely. The logs claimed that one auth server -- auth.np.ac.playstation.net -- was running 2.2.15. The logs were being passed around in public channels sometime around February 17, which means they probably originated at least slightly earlier than that. The google cache showing 2.2.17 was for March 23, over a full month afterward for the latest possible date of the logs. Google's cache of March 23 does not repudiate a claim that they were running 2.2.15 no later than Feb. 17.

2) You should also read my post again. Whether or not the PSN auth servers, let alone the rest of the web servers that make up the entirety of the PSN network were running 2.2.17, it is a matter of fact that the soe.com servers (SOE was recently breached, remember?) were and STILL ARE running an extremely old version of Apache (2.2.3).

This is from about 2 minutes ago. Feel free to try it yourself:

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Yeah, on my phone I missed the part where he was referring to the SOE servers, which I don't know about. It's the PSN servers I was referring to that has been running 2.2.17 well before they were breached.

So, no I don't need to check my sources more closely.
I just needed to make sure what I was responding to.

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Amusingly, there is *something* that might repudiate the claim in that log...

...that same log. :p

Closest to this.
I picked up a PS3 slim, brand new sealed in the box, almost 2 years ago when it was first released, for $100. I somehow suspect Sony took more than the usual loss on the device.

I also have only bought games/blu-ray movies second hand.

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I wonder how Sony did on their last PCI audit?

Wow. If I had only a PS3 to play on, I would be royally pissed off.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/44220/PSN-likely-down-for-six-weeks

Haha, Sony has already responded upset that everyone is reporting on their May 31st date:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/44225/Sony-clarifies-six-week-fears

TL:DR - Sony is running damage control, but still can't provide a date when ANY PSN services will be restored.

I've read that the credit card companies are really annoyed with Sony and are threatening to refuse to process payments unless Sony gets everything 100% locked down. The free parts of PSN might come up, but the store and everything else has to stay down for weeks while they rebuild everything. That also means pay services can't come up, SOE will be likely down until June.

The Playstation 2 was out of date anyways. Hopefully these people will become PC gamers with modern technology.