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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:37 am 
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The recent prediction by Pyramid Research that Windows Phone would become the dominant mobile OS in just four years surprised many industry watchers, several of whom argued with the forecast. In a new analyst note, the research firm explains its prognostication.
Pyramid's initial report asserted that by "2015, Windows Phone will establish itself as the leader in the smartphone OS space," thereby beating Android for the top spot. And the firm qualified that statement in its new note to reflect its belief that Microsoft's mobile OS will become the leader much sooner, as early as 2013.
With Android enjoying a huge lead among smartphone users, how can Pyramid point to Windows Phone as becoming the major player so quickly? As part of the answer, the research firm cites the new deal between Nokia and Microsoft.
Though Pyramid believes Android will continue to grow this year and next, it feels that the combination of Nokia and Microsoft will prove to be a powerful force in the industry within just a couple of years. Nokia will help to reduce the price of Windows Phone handsets, helping them expand in the marketplace, according to Pyramid. Beyond Nokia, other mobile phone makers, including Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericsson, are still in the Windows Phone camp.

As Windows Phone devices drop in price and spread out across multiple vendors, the multi-vendor approach currently benefiting Android will become less of a competitive advantage, Pyramid said in its note.
Pyramid doesn't deny that Nokia has lost market share, in part by sticking with Symbian for so long, but it sees the company as strong enough to ride out the current wave and learn from its mistakes.
"They are big enough and strong enough to take on a couple of painful hits and come out of the struggle stronger than ever," Stela Bokun, Pyramid senior analyst, said in the note. "They are in a good position to learn and adjust because they know what was bad about Symbian, what's creating gains and what's causing problems for Android, as well as what the upsides and downsides of a system such as that of Apple, where the OS only runs on hardware manufactured by the vendor."
Finally, although Android's growth may slow a bit by 2013 compared with the last couple of years, it will still challenge Windows Phone for dominance, Pyramid said, with the two platforms closely battling for the top spot of the market.
Pyramid isn't the only research firm anticipating a leading performance for Microsoft's mobile OS.
IDC released a report in late March projecting that by 2015, Windows Phone will enjoy the second largest market share behind Android, also citing the Nokia/Microsoft partnership as a key reason. IDC is forecasting that Windows Phone's share will be only 20.9 percent compared with 45.4 percent for Android. But the research firm is estimated a compound annual growth rate for Windows Phone of 67.1 percent over the next four years, by far the highest among all of the top smartphone vendors.


Does anyone see this happening? Their hockey stick graph is pretty amusing.


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fanboy-ism? :)

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MS will get a bump in it's install base from the Nokia deal, but yea, that article is a joke....


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As long as Android continues to not suck, and windows continues to suck... how many manufacturers won't matter

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But... but THERE'S A CHART! And its on THE INTERWEBZ! I surrender.

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Nokia has a huge world wide install base. Something like 20% of the smartphones in the world are Nokia running Symbian. They make *really* nice hardware. Nokia will transition all of it's handsets from Symbian to Windows Phone 7 within the next 18-24 months.

This will represent a significant instant bump in WP7's install base, and there will be a corresponding increase in attention from developers.

What still remains to be seen is if Microsoft will be able to make the OS attractive enough to keep Nokia's loyal user base from bailing for Blackberry, Android, and iOS.

Androids growth is still strong, but the reslulting fragmentation is frustrating to developers, who have to attempt to develop and support applications on a huge variety of platforms. I suspect androids popularity with developers will wane in the next two years if the platform doesn't become more stable.


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Really? They must be big in Europeland or something.

I don't know anyone that has a Nokia handset.

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yes, Euroland :p~

My inclination is that Blackberry (RIM) will probably benefit the most when Symbian users start flying the coop looking for alternatives..


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Probably. The last windows phone I had sucked ***. Granted, they're probably better now... but still. I like my Droid.

Blackberry = Business
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I really liked my Blackberry. But the Android was hands down better for my needs.

If Android went the way of the Dodo... I would go back to Blackberry before I went back to a windows phone

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I feel the same way. I loved my curve, but going to the Droid was like going to a real computer from a Apple IIe.

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I think this is the same group that predicted a few years ago that Android would go nowhere and Windows Mobile would take off. That...didn't happen.


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I don't know if everyone feels the same, but changing platforms sucks no matter the benefits IMO. Being familiar enough with a system to get done what I need to get done is more important. Put another way: every OS has its shortcomings I've just gotten used to mine.

So for me to change platforms: My current platform would have to significantly tick me off, go extinct or someone else would have to offer me something significantly better.

That's how I look at Windows for PC and IOS. So far none of the competitors have anything greatly better nor as either one done anything so unforgivable that I've felt compelled to change.

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As likely the only person on the board to have owned multiple iPhones and now a Windows Phone...

I prefer Windows Phone.


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Not really all that surprising to me.

Just curious, what do you use it for? And what are your likes/dislikes?


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Müs wrote:
As long as Android continues to not suck, and windows continues to suck... how many manufacturers won't matter


While Lex's original post may be silly, Everything I've read says otherwise about Windows Phone. The fact that a some very outspoken iPhone afficianados (like Stephen Fry) love the new Windows mobile OS is interesting.

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The problem is, Win Phone 7 has to not just be good.

IT has to be Better.
It has to make me switch form iOS.
It has to make you switch from Android.
It has to make app developers switch from those platforms.

And it has to make me not care about abandoning my app library.

So, it really has to be *great*, and right now it sounds like a very viable contender to the platforms that were out 3 years ago; lets hope they can accelerate past that point, because competition can only be good.


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I use it both as a business and a personal phone.

Pros:
Office integration
Xbox Live
Ease of contacting others (personal tiles)
Separation of email accounts
User Interface (big for me)
Zune +++
Social integration
99% of paid apps have full version trials available

Cons:
Browser sucks (IE9 update inc, looks great)
Camera settings always reset (intentional by MS)
Marketplace search not refined (next update)
No background apps/multitasking (next update)

I honestly think MS will be a strong competitor and the updates coming out of Redmond are looking very promising. I can't wait for them to hit.

Funny, just loaded Engadget and the first article was about new features coming to Windows Phone for enterprise users with the next update: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/micr ... ndows-pho/


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On the topic of Microsoft and Nokia, a coworker just told me the guy who broke the Nokia dropping Symbian story has just suggested that Microsoft is in talks to buy Nokia's mobile division.

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SuiNeko wrote:
..It has to make app developers switch from those platforms.

And it has to make me not care about abandoning my app library.


This is a really big deal. I've invested fairly substantially in android apps for my various phones and tablet, and even made a few small investments in iPad apps before I lost interest in it.

Switching platform loyalty is no longer just about learning a new OS, and investing in new hardware.


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Which tablet do you have Midgen; likes/dislikes?

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I have a G-Slate. I love the hardware. Well built piece of kit.

My main gripe about it is the lack of interest by developers to create cool new apps for it.

My suggestion, before investing in any tablet, think about what your intended use is,and do some research about what honeycomb specific apps exist for it, and if they meet your needs.

This tablet is stable, and excels at things like news reader apps (CNN, NPR, AP, Pulse, etc...). There are also some pretty cool games out that take full advantage of the hardware and screenspace. The network performance for me is fantastic. I get great download speeds on wifi, and pretty decent speed (good enough to watch slingbox) over HSPA (4G). I took it to a Mariners game and was able to stream the local TV coverage to the tablet while I was at the game (pretty cool for instant replays and such). Of course this will be different for each user, depending on the network speeds in your area, how you use it, etc...

Where it lacks in my opinion is in the multimedia department. Media playback, streaming apps, etc.. are not it's strong point. The one non-news reader app I get the most use out of is my slingbox player, which I use occasionally to watch a Mariner's game when they are on the east coast and Im in the office a tad late. The honeycomb implementation of this app is not nearly as good as the PC version or the iPad version. The user interface needs a lot of work. Also, last time I checked, there were no native netflix or hulu apps, although this could be changing soon. It comes with "T-Mobile TV", but I haven't subscribed to this service yet, so I can't give any feedback on it...

Lot's of potential. Whether it's worth the cost is going to be up to the individual.


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Midgen wrote:
Switching platform loyalty is no longer just about learning a new OS, and investing in new hardware.
It never was. This is not unlike switching from a PC to a Mac to Linux. Especially back before Macs switched to the Intel architecture.

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Corolinth, if you go back to before, say, the term "app" was in the common lexicon, it was just about learning a new OS and investing in new hardware. Go back 7 years, for example, and "downloading a program," let alone paying to do such a thing, was not something you did with your phone.

The closest thing there was to investing in 3rd party products that were phone specific would be enterprises with Blackberry infrastructure and maybe custom ROMs. But it just wasn't a factor in consumer level purchasing. Two phones were interchangeable; they offered you a dialer, a calculator, and maybe SMS/MMS and/or internal network news feeds/sports scores.

All of which falls under "learning a new OS," because they were built-in features of the phone.

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Midgen wrote:
I have a G-Slate...


Thank you sir.

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