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Well now that is fascinating, does that give them the power to cock-block offshoring of manufacturing jobs?

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Good point. I've not heard of the NLRB doing this in a case of "off-shoring". If the NLRB's view of things in this case is accurate, I don't see why it wouldn't be the same in off-shore cases.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I don't think the NLRB would have any jurisdiction to tell them not to open up in another country, though.

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They have jurisdiction here, and the courts here have jurisdiction to impose penalties.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

If they did that it would be a tremendous boon to the US workforce and a tremendous monetary drain on US consumers. I wonder how that would balance out?

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I don't know that it would be that much of a boon to the workforce, as the NLRB only deals with union-related issues. I don't think there are that many union members affected by off-shoring, relatively.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

When they were located here most manufacturing jobs were union. Off-shoring is corporate union-busting.

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I have no reason to doubt the first; I strongly reject the implication of the second.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

That would be a poor choice. The company could just pick up en masse and move to Brazil, closing most of its US operations.

"Penalize this, assholes."

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Something tells me it's not a good idea for Boeing to piss off the US Government. They have had a lot of contracts.

That works both ways.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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Telling a private company what it can and can't do with it's property? Sounds like operating a business in the US can be risky and costly.

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I've not commented on the wisdom of doing it, just the ability.



Ya think?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

What Boeing is being sued for is moving some of new manufacturing out of Washington to avoid (or perhaps punish) the unions here. The NLRB isn't taking action because they are building plants in South Carolina or Kansas.. They are taking action because Boeing made the decision to do that because of unions (specifically losing business caused by union walkouts). It seems to me like this would apply regardless of where Boeing 'moved' to.. Brazil, Mexico, China, or the Moon.... unless they are hiring union workers, they are going to get sued...

They already moved their headquarters from Seattle to Chicago a few years ago... anyone who didn't see this coming (Boeing's exodus from Washington) is a blind foold

I don't know anything about the union contracts, or laws regarding them, but it seems foolish to me to agree to a union contract that makes your business model unsupportable.

Why is labor cheaper overseas?

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Because the cost of living is cheaper overseas?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

It varies. Sometimes it's unions or bureaucratic red tape that can raise costs of doing business. I recall France and Germany having a 50% higher cost than the U.S. at least. I'm not where I can look that up atm. India had trade restrictions and a slow moving approval process for everything that hindered trade. One of India's most successful entrepreneurs had to invest his company's industry in other nations because it was so costly and troublesome to do business there. Japan moves some of its production facilities to the U.S. to save on shipping costs. (IIRC, they treat their employee's well enough that on anonymous ballots they vote down unions) I think in France some companies paid well above the union wages, because the unions cost so much money to deal with, it's actually cheaper to pay that much in wages to keep the unions out.

Labor is also affected by prices and can made labor cheaper or more expensive. If a certain job is in high demand, but has fewer people to fill those positions the price goes up. If there are more laborers, the increased competition lowers the price the company has to pay to get labor. This is frequently seen as taking advatage of those poorer countries and very very unfair, but if they weren't there, what would they be employed to do? A lot of emotional language is thrown around, but by and large these jobs are an improvement for inhabitants. Price controls/protectionisim can affect the job markets. Sometimes via unions. Unions are against changing child labor laws that keep 18-year olds of of air conditioned offices. They also work against any competition. They are a special interest group. Minimum wage also affects this.

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This works both ways. We don't have that many major contractors to build aerospace defense systems anymore. Teh post Cold War builddown had the side effect of eliminating or consolidating a lot of them, which has reduced competition and made the government dependent on just a few companies for complex weapons systems.

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**** the NLRB. With chainsaws.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Why? (God I feel like Khross)

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It costs less to live there.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

See, while I'm not entirely opposed to unions or unionization (right to free association!), this is an example of what's wrong with Unions today -- the government gives them the upper hand by screwing the companies out of their power in the bargaining process. If it's cheaper for a company to pick up and move an entire manufacturing operation than it is to deal with the union, then they they should be free to move - the union is not being reasonable.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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And, it should be pointed out, the union not being reasonable is *why* it's cheaper to pick up and move.

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And the union is not being reasonable because it has government protection and can get away with it.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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The most vicious of cycles.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades