The Glade 4.0

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... aming-scam

That's an almost surreal result of being thrown into a Chinese prison... this world is crazy.

It's really too bad that the US doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to stop doing business with China.

The U.S. forces prisoners to do labor as well, and we have a larger percentage of the population locked up. We also keep a large number of people in prolonged solitary confinement which is a violation of human rights.

Why don't the makers of the games sell this crap themselves and thereby eliminate this problem all together?

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They often do sell it. However, 3rd parties can always sell it for lower. As long as persistent multiplayer games have a "work hard, get loot/money" dynamic we will have this issue.

I am still firmly in the camp of who cares here. They gave up their rights when they broke the law. **** them.

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No, they don't. First off, our justice system has placed a significant number of innocent men and women in jail. Second, not all jail sentences are for heinous crimes (or even criminal offenses - civil offenses can put you in prison as well). Third, our code of law (particularly the 8th amendment to the Constitution) rather firmly establishes that, yes, convicted criminals most certainly do have rights

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Sooo... they work all day and then play WoW all night long? Sounds like half the people I know. What's the problem?



Sounds like an Onion article...

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I'd like to see why those American convicts were in solitary before I start up the HMS Givetwopoops.

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My favorite part...

It makes me wonder if we are living in some sort of Medieval era, where you can be thrown into prison for "illegally petitioning". I wonder how the people of the future will look back on us.

What's so bad about solitary confinement? It's almost certainly better than general population in a lot of prisons...

Perhaps in rare circumstances. However, solitary will drive many people crazy. We aren't designed for it.

This is not a positive quality of solitary confinement, but rather an indictment of the rest of the prison population.

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We're not designed for being stabbed or raped either.

Aren't most people in solitary For their own protection or they have harmed others.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Inmates get who get administrative segregation for their own protection are generally snitches, baby-rapers or trying to leave a gang. The rest are there because they caused violent trouble, most likely repeatedly.

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What Vindi said. Pretty much no one requests solitary confinement without good reason, more than I just want some quiet time.

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1) What's "a significant number?
2) Where's your number coming from?



1) So what?
2) What "civil offense" can put you in prison?
3) What's this got to do with either inmate labor or solitary confinement?



Yes, they do. So?

You are correct that they have rights, but Darksiege is also correct in a sense because those rights do not include not performing labor, nor freedom from solitary confinement. Freedom from arbitrary or indefinite solitary confinement, perhaps, but solitary confinement is generally done for the inmate's safety, or temporarily because of violent or threatening behavior by the inmate.

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Assuming wide reforms to our prison system, I have no problem at all with compulsory labor.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I mentioned this in the other thread. We used to do prison farms and license plates and chain gangs in this country. I don't understand why we got away from that. Gives them something to do, helps the bottom line. I'm not saying we have to subject them to more labor or worse conditions than we would the average work a day person.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

The fact that our country needs prison reforms aside, I wouldn't have a problem with compulsory labor without wide reforms.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I wouldn't hold positive change of any sort hostage, but I think the first is more important both socially and economically. If we are going to start a conversation about prisons in the US we should start at the foundation, so that we can build a new house if needed. Not first patch the roof, and then see if we need to bring down the whole building afterwards.

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There is a huge problem with reforming the prison system. You have to deal with the fact that the majority of the population holds opinions similar to the one Darksiege expressed in the beginning of this thread. Keeping those lawbreaking thugs away from myself and my perfect family is all the more tax dollars the public wishes to spend on them. Prison is a place for us to put them so that we can forget about them. That prison is a catch-all solution to everything from theft to murder never enters our minds, nor does the fact that most inmates will get out someday. A thirty day sentence for credit card fraud may as well be a life sentence for serial rape.

Prison is where we put our undesirables, and time spent in prison forever marks you as such. U.S. society is done with you the moment you enter prison as an inmate, regardless of your crime and sentence. We may as well simply execute anyone who is found guilty in a court of law, except that we also want to be opposed to the death penalty.

Our opposition to the death penalty has nothing to do with empathy or humanity, despite what anyone may tell you, but rather selfishness. We are dimly aware of the possibility of being wrongfully accused, at least enough to recognize the threat the death penalty poses to us, personally. Political prisoners and innocent men sent to jail on falacious, trumped-up charges are thought to be a thing of the past, or at least something that happens in other societies. No one sees a need for the accused or the convicted to have rights, as the events which spurred those amendments to be written are thought to have been brought to an end by government of the people, by the people, and for the people. It is only when faced with the idea of the death penalty that we finally recognize that it could happen to us.

It is this mentality that any prison reform must contend with: The presumption of guilt until guilt is confirmed, and the idea that they are forevermore worthless to society. Prison inmates can not be reformed because society does not want them back. The hardest part about making amends for past misdeeds is when honest effort gets thrown back in your face. That is why prison reform can never happen. The common man does not have the strength of character to accept that a criminal wishes to change. Once the criminal realizes this, he quickly sees the folly of trying.

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Once they get out they can be real people again; but when in prison: I think differently.

This I'd a change in how I used to feel, I will admit. I have an evolved opinion on convicts that way I guess

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