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They failed to predict an earthquake and 308 people died.

I am just boggling at the depth of the IDIOCY that these charges were filed. The people involved in this filing need to be killed simply for being too stupid to live.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/27/italian-scientist-charged-manslaughter-failing-predict-earthquake/

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Italian government officials have accused the country's top seismologist of manslaughter, after failing to predict a natural disaster that struck Italy in 2009, a massive devastating earthquake that killed 308 people.

A shocked spokesman for the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) likened the accusations to a witch hunt.

"It has a medieval flavor to it -- like witches are being put on trial," the stunned spokesman told FoxNews.com.

Enzo Boschi, the president of Italy's National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology (INGV), will face trial along with six other scientists and technicians, after failing to predict the future and the impending disaster.

Earthquakes are, of course, nearly impossible to predict, seismologists say. In fact, according to the website for the USGS, no major quake has ever been predicted successfully.

"Neither the USGS nor Caltech nor any other scientists have ever predicted a major earthquake," reads a statement posted on the USGS website. "They do not know how, and they do not expect to know how any time in the foreseeable future."

John Vidale, a Washington State seismologist and professor at the University of Washington, agreed that earthquake forecasting is simply impossible.

"We're not able to predict earthquakes very well at all," he told LiveScience.

"One problem is, we don't know how much stress it takes to break a fault," Vidale told the site. "Second we still don't know how much stress is down there. All we can do is measure how the ground is deforming."

Not knowing either of these factors makes it pretty tough to figure out when stresses will get to the point of a rupture, and an earth-shaking quake, LiveScience explained.

The seven scientists were placed under investigation almost a year ago, according to a news story on the website of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) -- the world's largest general-science society and a leading voice for the interests of scientists worldwide.

Alan Leschner, chief executive of AAAS, said his group wrote a letter to the Italian government last year -- clearly, to no avail.

"Whoever made these accusations misunderstands the nature of science, the nature of the discipline and how difficult it is to predict anything with the surety they expect," Leschner told FoxNews.com.

The case could have a "chilling effect" on scientists, he noted.

"It reflects a lack of understanding about what science can and can't do," he said. "And frankly, it will have an effect of intimidating scientists ... This just feels like either scapegoating or an attempt to intimidate a community. This really seems inappropriate."

Judge Giuseppe Romano Gargarella said that the seven defendants had supplied "imprecise, incomplete and contradictory information," in a press conference following a meeting held by the committee 6 days before the quake, reported the Italian daily Corriere della Sera

In doing so, they "thwarted the activities designed to protect the public," the judge said.

Boschi's lawyer, Marcello Melandri, has been taking the news badly, reported the AAAS story. He was particularly stunned because -- despite of the near impossibility of predicting earthquakes Boshi had been indicating that a large earthquake would be coming, though he did not say when.

Melandri told the AAAS that Boschi never sought to reassure the population of L'Aquila that there was no threat. On the contrary, the INGV head made it clear that "at some point it is probable that there will be a big earthquake."

In addition to Boschi, those facing trial are:

* Franco Barberi, committee vice president;
* Bernardo De Bernardinis, at the time vice president of Italy's Civil Protection Department and now president of the country's Institute for Environmental Protection and Research;
* Giulio Selvaggi, director of the National Earthquake Center;
* Gian Michele Calvi, director of the European Center for Training and Research in Earthquake Engineering;
* Claudio Eva, an earth scientist at the University of Genoa; and
* Mauro Dolce, director of the office of seismic risk at the Civil Protection Department.


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This is why scientists need to be concerned with extraterrestrial colonization. It's time for us to leave.

Goodbye, it was nice sharing a planet with you. Sorry we couldn't stay longer.

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Duh. This is why those who dabble in the dark arts should be vigilant. You are only tolerated so long as you are useful, and things go well. As soon as the goats start giving birth to two-headed kids, or the moon gets devoured, or an earthquake happens, you've got to go.

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I think we should use this to our advantage and change out Italy for America as the nation with the insufferably stupid.

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Now if China did this, everyone would be up in arms about their style of government.


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The science jokes are funnier, if you like I can make some cracks about stupid Italian socialism, but keep trying to Troll lex, you might hit on something.

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I think I'd be moving out of Kansas and Missouri if I were a meteorologist.

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Depends where you live in Missouri.

In St. Louis, it is fairly well established that a tornado will occur, and it's path will take it here. They are Devil worshipers, and God is punishing them. Spring Disaster Sale - 90% off sofas and loveseats and 75% off all other merchandise throughout the months of March and April.

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These are the same people whose foreign cousins thought that the IROC was the epitome of automotive engineering...

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Uncle Fester wrote:
The science jokes are funnier, if you like I can make some cracks about stupid Italian socialism, but keep trying to Troll lex, you might hit on something.


He has a point.

This is ridiculous, and I have to believe they will get off scott free. Actually, I think the charges will be dropped.


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Or not, maybe it'll get truly Kafkaesque.

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does his career obligate him to disclose his findings if he thinks there could be a quake?

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Maybe if he laughed while withholding SCIENCE! You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

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Could this create a DANGER TO THE FOREST ANIMALS?!?!?

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****, what is that from? I can't remember now.

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darksiege wrote:
does his career obligate him to disclose his findings if he thinks there could be a quake?


I'm sure there's a code of ethics. Or rules, if he's licensed. But demonstrating he knew something definitive would be impossible.

Likewise, what if a seismologist said "massive earthquake in LA, 4PM sunday the 3rd", and everyone evacuated? 37 people die in traffic accidents, or are patients that don't survive being moved, and, of course, the earthquake doesn't happen. Is that different?


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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does his career obligate him to disclose his findings if he thinks there could be a quake?


I'm sure there's a code of ethics. Or rules, if he's licensed. But demonstrating he knew something definitive would be impossible.

Likewise, what if a seismologist said "massive earthquake in LA, 4PM sunday the 3rd", and everyone evacuated? 37 people die in traffic accidents, or are patients that don't survive being moved, and, of course, the earthquake doesn't happen. Is that different?


Ask John Bolaris a weatherman out of Philly. He predicted a huge storm, businesses closed, schools closed, etc. Didn't happen and he got chased out of town.

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Hannibal wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
darksiege wrote:
does his career obligate him to disclose his findings if he thinks there could be a quake?


I'm sure there's a code of ethics. Or rules, if he's licensed. But demonstrating he knew something definitive would be impossible.

Likewise, what if a seismologist said "massive earthquake in LA, 4PM sunday the 3rd", and everyone evacuated? 37 people die in traffic accidents, or are patients that don't survive being moved, and, of course, the earthquake doesn't happen. Is that different?


Ask John Bolaris a weatherman out of Philly. He predicted a huge storm, businesses closed, schools closed, etc. Didn't happen and he got chased out of town.


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