The Glade 4.0

Big news around libertarian circles. Surprised it hasn't hit here yet.

http://blogs.forbes.com/benkerschberg/2 ... -scrutiny/

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

If people want to act like disruptive idiots, then they could get in trouble for it. I don't see the big deal. Maybe they should stay indoors and play video games and not be a nuisance, or dance in their backyards.

Randomly dancing, screaming, throwing stuff, etc. near national monuments that are carefully monitored is a very dumb idea, it's playing with fire.

Seriously Lex, your attempts at trolling lately have been Pathetic.

Give it a rest?

Reverend Shaw Moore: Even if this was not a law, which it is, I'm afraid I would have a lot of difficulty endorsing an enterprise which is as fraught with genuine peril as I believe this one to be. Besides the liquor and the drugs which always seem to accompany such an event the thing that distresses me even more, Ren, is the spiritual corruption that can be involved. These dances and this kind of music can be destructive, and, uh, Ren, I'm afraid you're going to find most of the people in our community are gonna agree with me on this.

Well what if they decided to dance there all day long, every day? They would ruin it as a tourist destination and they would be a nuisance. They were playing with fire and got burnt. I'm glad because people like them annoy me.

At least when you tried, it was amusing because occasionally you'd post something that would make at least one person question the merit of what you were posting in as though it were genuine. Now, your troll attempts are about as fruitless as trying to jerk off with sandpaper watching a Richard Simmons workout DVD while drunk and high on meth: pointless, sad and pretty obtusely gay.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

What if people used computers to do bad things from their homes we need to log everything they do just in case. If they aren't being distruptive then there isn't an issue.

Lordy lordy you're not even trying.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

It's too much data to log and that is private information. It's a totally unrelated situation.

The law needs to he reviewed, probably changed. Until then the executive has to enforce it.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

So people can dance around public monuments without a permit, as much as they want? That won't work. I can imagine people dancing around this monument for hours, recording a Youtube video, while police stand by but are unable to do anything. They could do it every single day and basically take control of the monument without being forced to stop.

Lex wants everyone to stay indoors until their permit clears.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

No, seriously, I just don't see what's so hard about getting a permit. And if you resist a police officer then yes he might get physical and rip your ear buds out.

IMHO, the officer went too far. He seems to be reacting more to the disrespect afforded by her 1) not stopping dancing when he spoke to her, and 2) refusal to obey his orders, lawful or not.

I disagree with the Court. The interpretation of silent expressive dance being a demonstration or protest would not be obvious to the average American. Even after reading the explanation I think the Court is pushing the definition.

Appeal it up to the Supreme Court, hopefully they will choose to hear it. Of course they do not have to.

The fact that it took a couple of days to figure out what to charge her with makes the charges look a lot less credible. Of course the slippery slope the courts are afraid of starting down is opening up the memorials to all kinds of odd expressions.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I'm finding it hard to get worked up over this.

I think he's being sincere. If not, stop responding to him. The complaints against his posts are more annoying than his posts in general. YMMV.

He's not even that prolific, unless you get all riled up over whatever he's stating that day.

Anyway... Dancing is a sin and should be outlawed

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I was being sincere too...

Cue the music,

Send in Mr. Bacon.

Lights, Camera, Action

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

The only thing you can do without permits will be get permits until one day....

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

As far as the arrest goes, if the earbuds are that big a deal the city should give her $10 to go buy some new **** earbuds. The crap about shoving her and twisting her arm is a way of saying "he arrested her after she wouldn't stop" that's going to sound better for the lawsuit.

The problem here isn't that she got arrested, it's that there's a law that prohibits.. well, I'm not sure. Partly because, as usual, Elmo cited a source that's a libertarian opinion piece rather than anything objective, much less the actual law, but disregarding that I'm still not sure what the problem is.

It's perfectly acceptable to have a law prohibiting disruptive behavior at public facilities, memorials or otherwise. They are, after all, supported by tax dollars and maintained by the government so there really is not a problem regulating behavior there.

The problem here arises from a definition of disruptive that, apparently, includes just about anything beyond "walking around quietly". If a person's behavior isn't damaging property and isn't interfering in anyone else's enjoyment of the place, then it isn't disruptive. Not some theoretical person that might conceivably be interfered with, nd not just "offensive" to the sort of people who have problems with dancing at memorials, but actually disruptive, such as going up to the offended person and dancing as close as possible and following them around playing "nyah nyah I can dance all I want" type games. (for example)

Granted, if you really need that badly to go do "interpretive dance" at the Jefferson Memorial you're an attention-whoring idiot, but being an attention-whoring idiot should not be against the law.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

There isn't a law - its caselaw. An arrest was originally made and a judge made a statement that the arrest was reasonable.

You won't find a law against dancing on Federal park property because one does not exist.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

This isn't true. If the government got too ridiculous, people would hold mass demonstrations. The government can't act against the culture of the society, or it will crumble.

That said, people dancing around public tourist locations, especially in an organized group, is excessively annoying. They definitely need permits or should be banned altogether. I just really don't like them. They should also put up fliers so people know when not to go there.

Well they already need permits to mass demonstrate and hang fliers. So if the permit to protest permits is denied I guess they would be stuck.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

The demonstrations would be unlawful and destructive, which the government doesn't want, so they wouldn't pass the kind of laws you are talking about.

They've already passed laws requiring permits to protest and demonstrate. They've also passed laws limiting such activities to "Free Speech Zones".

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Midgen, Hannibal, and Raf:

You may find, as I have, that this board is far more enjoyable without Lex on it. I encourage you to just press the little button and stop listening to him, because he sure as **** won't stop talking, and 9/10 of the garbage he spews actually makes you dumber if you read it.

I don't do stupid anymore, and neither should you.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20