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President Barack Obama on Tuesday urged European countries and bondholders to prevent a "disastrous" default by Greece and pledged U.S. support to help tackle the country's debt crisis.


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Obama, whose political prospects have suffered from persistently high unemployment and ballooning U.S. debt, has pinpointed the euro zone crisis as one foreign "headwind" hitting the U.S. economy.

After a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, he stressed the importance of German "leadership" on the issue - a hint that he expects Berlin to help - while expressing sympathy for the political difficulties European Union countries face in helping a struggling member state.

"I'm confident that Germany's leadership, along with other key actors in Europe, will help us arrive at a path for Greece to return to growth, for this debt to become more manageable," Obama said.

"But it's going to require some patience and some time. And we have pledged to cooperate fully in working through these issues, both on a bilateral basis but also through international and financial institutions like the IMF."

A proposal for a second Greek bailout package worth 80 billion to 100 billion euros over three years was taking shape, euro zone sources said.

Merkel, under political pressure at home to avoid being the financial savior for other struggling European countries, said Germany understood its role.

"We've seen that the stability of the euro as a whole will also be influenced if one country is in trouble," she said.

"So we do see clearly our European responsibility and we're shouldering that responsibility, together with the IMF." With U.S. unemployment at 9.1 percent, Obama has blamed outside forces for impeding the economy, including high fuel prices, the earthquake in Japan and the euro zone crisis.


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"America's economic growth depends on a sensible resolution of this issue," he said.

"It would be disastrous for us to see an uncontrolled spiral and default in Europe because that could trigger a whole range of other events."

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Obama said Greece had to make structural reforms and instill greater transparency in its economy.

But his main message was aimed at EU countries - and, by default, wealthy Germany - to step up to help Athens.

"Other countries in the euro zone are going to have to provide them a backstop and support," he said.

"And frankly, people who are holding Greek debt are going to have to make some decisions, working with the European countries in the euro zone, about how that debt is managed." The euro debt problems dominated discussions between Merkel and Obama, who also touched on foreign policy issues such as the wars in Afghanistan and Libya.

Obama welcomed Merkel at a formal ceremony on the White House lawn with firing cannons and military musicians adding to the pomp of an official visit.

Later in the evening Obama and his wife Michelle hosted Merkel and her husband, Joachim Sauer, for a state dinner, where the president awarded her the "Medal of Freedom" - the highest U.S. civilian honor.

Obama noted the event, held open-air in the Rose Garden to take advantage of a warm Washington evening, was the first such state dinner of his presidency for a European leader.

"Tonight we honor Angela Merkel, not for being denied her freedom, or even for obtaining her freedom, but for what she achieved when she gained her freedom," Obama said.

In public the two leaders referred to each other by their first names and joked about looking different from their predecessors.

Obama is the first black U.S. president and Merkel is the first female chancellor of Germany.

Their show of partnership did not mask differences between them - and Libya has been one of those issues in the past.

The United States cautiously endorsed military action in Libya while Germany confounded its NATO partners by refusing to take part.

Obama said he would expect Germany to help once Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was gone and recovery work was needed in the North African country.

He thanked Merkel for Germany's stepped-up support in Afghanistan, which he said had freed up other NATO members to be active in Libya.

Merkel, meanwhile, advocated for French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde to take over the top job at the International Monetary Fund, according to a German delegation source.

The United States has stayed publicly neutral in the race for that post, saying it wants the best candidate to win.


Maybe he thinks Greece is one of the 57 states?


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We are beyond broke. The US needs to continue to borrow money just to fund what we are doing ATM. We have 60+ trillion in UNFUNDED liabilities. How the sweet buttery f*** is this tard pledging we are going to help ****.

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Well, he did campaign in Europe, right? I guess he's living up to his promises there.


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Leaving aside whether he should do this, why does he think he can do this? He can't fix America's economy. How can he fix a different country's economy?

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Magic? The idea that we can all get by by just borrowing from each other in one big circle jerk is the very height of fantasy. I'd believe The Fellowship of the Ring was a documentary of real events before I could imagine their ridiculous scheme would actually work. There is nothing being produced here. These governments are funding their bullshit by raping their citizens consensually.

I don't know what the final falling apart will look like, but it'll have to happen eventually. People don't change until they absolutely have to. That's why we'll go to the brink and fall over before changing how we do business. Just ask the other fallen empires.

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Talya wrote:
Leaving aside whether he should do this, why does he think he can do this? He can't fix America's economy. How can he fix a different country's economy?


With a little hope and a whole lot of spare change.


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Talya wrote:
How can he fix a different country's economy?


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I'm sure the Germans, who actually have taken serious and meaningful austerity measures are even more thrilled about this than we are. Our guy is bailing out everyone at home and abroad while raising entitlements more than at any time since the New Deal.

Bailing out a country whose population resorts to firebombing banks in protest of cuts to the government gravy train.

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Bailing out a country whose population resorts to firebombing banks in protest of cuts to the government gravy train.


Where it is culture to not pay taxes.


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I wonder who is going to bail out the US? China ?


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Dash wrote:
I'm sure the Germans, who actually have taken serious and meaningful austerity measures are even more thrilled about this than we are. Our guy is bailing out everyone at home and abroad while raising entitlements more than at any time since the New Deal.


I remember hearing that on NPR last week. No one should be thrilled that their .gov is spending their taxes to pay for other countries ****. American's should be upset at our political class...

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Dash wrote:
I'm sure the Germans, who actually have taken serious and meaningful austerity measures are even more thrilled about this than we are. Our guy is bailing out everyone at home and abroad while raising entitlements more than at any time since the New Deal.

Bailing out a country whose population resorts to firebombing banks in protest of cuts to the government gravy train.


Smart Germans probably like the idea. Germany has a serious impending problem with the European defaults. German banks are leveraged at ridiculous rates, some lending over 100 Euros for every 1 they actually have. If Greece defaults those banks will fail. While Germany recently implemented federal bank insurance, they also recently implemented a constitutional mandate that sets a hard cap on the amount of debt the government can have, meaning the government will not be allowed to borrow the billions of Euros needed to bail out all the bank accounts. So there's a lot of Germans that think their money is safe when it in fact isn't, and they're going to lose everything if Greece defaults.

That said, I doubt Greece is going to actually default. Given how conservative the big German banks are when loaning money out on things that have actual risk, (check out the terms for a mortgage in Germany, they're beyond draconian) the fact that they've picked up so much sovereign debt leads me to believe they somehow know said debt is risk free. They're just going to "restructure" the debt and add a bailout on top of it, the end result being the large, politically connected, "too big to fail" organizations will get made whole with taxpayer money while everyone else with Greek bonds gets nothing.


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You say that like it's a good thing, or I misunderstood.

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Bailing out Greece is not a "good thing," but neither is millions of people having all their savings wiped out by multiple unsecured bank failures.


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