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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/0 ... ?hpt=hp_c2

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Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) - Kulsoom Abdullah is a 35-year-old with a doctorate in electrical and computer engineering. But it's her passion outside of work that has put her at the center of a debate - one that could affect athletic competitions worldwide, even the Olympics.

Later this month, the International Weightlifting Federation will take up the question of whether Abdullah may take part in officially sanctioned tournaments while keeping her entire body covered, aside from her hands and face, in keeping with her Muslim faith.

"It's what I believe in. It's what I've chosen to do," Abdullah tells CNN of her decision to wear modest garb. "I've always dressed this way publicly."

Abdullah is not an Olympic athlete, but enjoys lifting weights. She can deadlift 245 pounds (111 kg) and get up 105 pounds (47.5 kg) in the snatch, in which the competitor lifts the barbell from the floor to over her head in a single motion. She likes to compete with other women in her weight class - she generally weighs in the 106-pound (48 kg) or 117-pound (53 kg) classifications.


"I guess it's empowering," she says. "There's a lot of technique involved, so someone who's this big muscular person - it's possible I could lift more than they do. There's speed and timing to it - you have to be explosive. I think it's great just for confidence building ... I guess I got hooked."

The Atlanta resident wants to take part in tournaments in the United States, including one coming up in July. But USA Weightlifting informed her that those events are governed by IWF rules. And those rules preclude her dressing in keeping with her beliefs.

Abdullah generally wears loose, long pants past the ankles, a long-sleeve, fitted shirt with a loose T-shirt over it, and a hijab, or head scarf, covering her hair.

The outfits - officially called "costumes" - worn at competitions must be collarless and must not cover the elbows or knees, according to the IWF's technical and competition rules.

The IWF constitution also states that no distinction is made among individuals based on religion.

Mark Jones, a spokesman for the U.S. Olympic Committee - which oversees USA Weightlifting and many other sports - explained part of the challenge is that judges need to see that a competitor's elbows and knees are locked during a lift.

But the USOC also understands the dilemma Abdullah faces. After CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations - a Washington-based group that advocates for Muslims and Muslim causes - contacted the USOC on Wednesday, Jones said, his group reached out to the IWF.


It will be interesting to see how this comes out.

However, at a minimum I'm encouraged that the various governing bodies are open to reviewing and appear to be making a good faith effort to understand the concerns and respect them. It's nice to see an example of good sense among all of the usual "OMGMUSLIMSBBQ" reaction or sensationalization we see in the news.


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Muslims are very strange people.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
Muslims are very strange people.


The adult in me says you are doing yourself a disservice by painting people with such broad strokes.

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She can [...] get up 105 pounds in the snatch


My inner third grader is snickering like an idiot.

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You have to understand that there are safety reasons for the way weightlifters typically dress. They don't want competitors fumbling over their clothing and dropping a big heavy weight on themselves.

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If women in sports wore clothing that covers all their bodies, nobody would watch them. They'd lose funding, competitions would be shut down, and nobody would get paid.


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You have to understand that there are safety reasons for the way weightlifters typically dress. They don't want competitors fumbling over their clothing and dropping a big heavy weight on themselves.


Your first sentence is true, your second is common sense but not the reason the rules are how they are today. The article actually talks about that. There are also many ways to accomplish the same goal. No one is asking to compromise safety or the ability to officiate an event.


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I support the Muslims' right to peaceably petition the IWF. I also support the IWF's right to set standards for the competitions it runs. Really little to see here. Now if the IWF refuses to accommodate them and they act in an extremist way, then there is an issue.

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I support the Muslims' right to peaceably petition the IWF. I also support the IWF's right to set standards for the competitions it runs. Really little to see here. Now if the IWF refuses to accommodate them and they act in an extremist way, then there is an issue.


I'm completely agree. The main reason I posted it was that it's nice to see things related to Muslims and Islam being handled reasonably. We sadly get a skewed view of the world by our media, because only the sensational (i.e. bad) news sells newspapers.


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Aizle wrote:
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I support the Muslims' right to peaceably petition the IWF. I also support the IWF's right to set standards for the competitions it runs. Really little to see here. Now if the IWF refuses to accommodate them and they act in an extremist way, then there is an issue.


I'm completely agree. The main reason I posted it was that it's nice to see things related to Muslims and Islam being handled reasonably. We sadly get a skewed view of the world by our media, because only the sensational (i.e. bad) news sells newspapers.




It isn't skewed.

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Aizle wrote:
Abdullah is not an Olympic athlete, but enjoys lifting weights. She can deadlift 245 pounds (111 kg) and get up 105 pounds (47.5 kg) in the snatch, in which the competitor lifts the barbell from the floor to over her head in a single motion. She likes to compete with other women in her weight class - she generally weighs in the 106-pound (48 kg) or 117-pound (53 kg) classifications.


Is it just me or is this very, very light weight? My only point of reference is that in high school, when I weight 117 lbs, I dead lifted 405lbs, and "snatched" 165lbs. Granted, I am male, and that matters a lot, but 245 and 105 for someone that competes??


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Abdullah is not an Olympic athlete, but enjoys lifting weights. She can deadlift 245 pounds (111 kg) and get up 105 pounds (47.5 kg) in the snatch, in which the competitor lifts the barbell from the floor to over her head in a single motion. She likes to compete with other women in her weight class - she generally weighs in the 106-pound (48 kg) or 117-pound (53 kg) classifications.


Is it just me or is this very, very light weight? My only point of reference is that in high school, when I weight 117 lbs, I dead lifted 405lbs, and "snatched" 165lbs. Granted, I am male, and that matters a lot, but 245 and 105 for someone that competes??


For an amature female doing a snatch and clean of close to her bodyweight is pretty good IMHO. It shows good technique at the very least. I'm sure she could improve her dl with a few tweaks. Hell I'm only doing 375 @ 180lbs. Personally I don't like the Olympic lifts for regular folks. Wonder what she's squatting?

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According to the chart here: http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf her deadlift puts her in the "elite" category. Her numbers sounded a bit low to me too, but if you think about it, a 106 lb woman is very small.


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Aizle wrote:
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I support the Muslims' right to peaceably petition the IWF. I also support the IWF's right to set standards for the competitions it runs. Really little to see here. Now if the IWF refuses to accommodate them and they act in an extremist way, then there is an issue.


I'm completely agree. The main reason I posted it was that it's nice to see things related to Muslims and Islam being handled reasonably. We sadly get a skewed view of the world by our media, because only the sensational (i.e. bad) news sells newspapers.


It isn't skewed.


Huh, you're the last person I would have expected to say that the new media presents an accurate picture of the world.


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I get that .5 % (or less) of the Muslim World engages in astrosities and most of the rest just want to be left alone. More of them could use to stand up and say "those people don't speak for me," but that's a different issue.

I really hope we don't see people resorting to violence over this, but it wouldn't suprise me if it happened. Because those things do happen.

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Aizle wrote:
I'm completely agree. The main reason I posted it was that it's nice to see things related to Muslims and Islam being handled reasonably. We sadly get a skewed view of the world by our media, because only the sensational (i.e. bad) news sells newspapers.


I'm curious about this.

Where do you get your unskewed version of the news ?


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Aizle wrote:
I'm completely agree. The main reason I posted it was that it's nice to see things related to Muslims and Islam being handled reasonably. We sadly get a skewed view of the world by our media, because only the sensational (i.e. bad) news sells newspapers.


I'm curious about this.

Where do you get your unskewed version of the news ?


Well, to reiterate what I said, I think that watching the news gives you a skewed view of the world. i.e. that the impression is that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and all that happens in the world is ugly or bad, but that obviously is not the case. There is plent of good in the world, and even a majority of good. But that is not the picture painted by the media. It's not that they are necessarily miss representing something that happened, tho that sometimes happens, but that all they report on is the sensationalist or bad news.


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There was a similar ***** over the Iranian women's soccer team getting banned by whatever (IAIF or something like that) for wearing headscarves due to safety reasons.

The best part? There was already an approved headscarf that fit more snugly, since the concern was apparently it getting tangled and choking the player or something. Iran wouldn't accept the approved headscarf because it showed too much of the neck or some ****.

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Lex Luthor wrote:
If women in sports wore clothing that covers all their bodies, nobody would watch them. They'd lose funding, competitions would be shut down, and nobody would get paid.

Well, she's a weight lifter, not a beach volleyball player. Mmm, beach volley ball.

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I wonder what her (and, more generally, the Muslim community's) reaction would be if the IWF comes back and says "you can wear a spandex leotard that covers your entire leg and arm, so long as it's skintight so we can judge your joint position accurately." Then, normal shorts and T-shirt over that or whatever, and...?

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Generally speaking I have no problem with her wanting to dress like that so long as it's her choice but it's a valid point that you need to see if the lift is locked out, if she's reaching proper depth on a squat and a bunch of other things. Semi-pro and pro lifting events routinely see no-rep calls by judges.

A 245 DL at 105 lbs is really solid by the way, good for her. 105 on a snatch isnt bad either.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Abdullah is not an Olympic athlete, but enjoys lifting weights. She can deadlift 245 pounds (111 kg) and get up 105 pounds (47.5 kg) in the snatch, in which the competitor lifts the barbell from the floor to over her head in a single motion. She likes to compete with other women in her weight class - she generally weighs in the 106-pound (48 kg) or 117-pound (53 kg) classifications.


Is it just me or is this very, very light weight? My only point of reference is that in high school, when I weight 117 lbs, I dead lifted 405lbs, and "snatched" 165lbs. Granted, I am male, and that matters a lot, but 245 and 105 for someone that competes??


And you weren't competing for national powerlifting titles?

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They make muslim bikinis, so why not this...

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Exactly. Something like the burkini would work fine.

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