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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:49 pm 
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As to his "free ride" for a couple of years....the man worked hard and honestly for almost two decades. He is entitled to his social security benefits just like everyone else who worked hard for it....if he wants to sit in jail for a couple of years, thats ok with me.

Just pointing out -- he's not entitled to social security yet. He's sitting in jail, living off the public dime, UNTIL he's ready for social security. That's why he'll tell the judge he'll do it again if they don't want to stick him in jail long enough.

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He's 59...how much longer does he have?

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Six years, if he wants his full bennies, I think.

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Sounds like they cover a wide variety of ailments. Did he even try or look into it? No? Screwum.

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I thought it was 60? I didn't know it was 65.
Nitefox...it didn't say whether he looked into it or not.

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This is an excellent case for why welfare is necessary. You can pay them $10,000-$15,000 a year for free, or you can pay them $50,000 a year to house them in a prison.


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Or, you know, you could let people die for being irresponsible and foolish ...

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Or, you know, you could let people die for being irresponsible and foolish ...


Why? People are born with the genes that lead them to being irresponsible and foolish. They should be protected.


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Sweet. Now I just need to get a study funded to declare that I'm born with genes that lead me to being lazy and self-gratifying, and I'll have it made.

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Sweet. Now I just need to get a study funded to declare that I'm born with genes that lead me to being lazy and self-gratifying, and I'll have it made.


Maybe you should be stuck in a group home in a warehouse with dozens of other people, with free food, but not left to die like Khross said.


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Sweet. Now I just need to get a study funded to declare that I'm born with genes that lead me to being lazy and self-gratifying, and I'll have it made.


Heh, given the right connections, I bet you really could get a study funded for that if you really tried hard enough....but if you're born with lazy genes, odds are you won't bother... ;)

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So the free clinic might not provide the specialized care he might get in.. prison?


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So the free clinic might not provide the specialized care he might get in.. prison?


Don't prisoners get MRI's, x-rays, etc? I'm not aware of what prisoners get as far as health care goes, but odds are it might be a tad bit better than a free clinic...at least, maybe that's what he was banking on.

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Or, you know, you could let people die for being irresponsible and foolish ...


Wait, what? They commit a crime to get into prison. Are you not going to put them into prison? How do you tell the difference between the people who are in for the free ride and the people who aren't? Are you just going to let all prisoners starve to death?


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Or, you know, you could let people die for being irresponsible and foolish ...


Wait, what? They commit a crime to get into prison. Are you not going to put them into prison? How do you tell the difference between the people who are in for the free ride and the people who aren't? Are you just going to let all prisoners starve to death?


It's pretty easy to decide in this particular case that this guy is in it for the free ride.

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Or, you know, you could let people die for being irresponsible and foolish ...


Wait, what? They commit a crime to get into prison. Are you not going to put them into prison? How do you tell the difference between the people who are in for the free ride and the people who aren't? Are you just going to let all prisoners starve to death?


It's pretty easy to decide in this particular case that this guy is in it for the free ride.


So obviously next time he would need to commit a greater crime...

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It seems to me the Darlek's had a phrase that goes a long way to describe a solution to the problem of people committing crimes to get benefits of jail.

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You mean Daleks?

OK, but I'm a little fuzzy on the delineation for capital punishment people who commit crimes in order to go to jail vs. people who commit crimes they know have the certain punishment of jail.


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No, no - exterminate the concept of jail as a means of punishment.

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What..like go all Singapore and start caning people in the street?


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What..like go all Singapore and start caning people in the street?


Something like that, yes.

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Stocks, whippings, public canings, public executions. If we make them the normal punishments they are no longer unusual. The cruel part may take some getting around.

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So the free clinic might not provide the specialized care he might get in.. prison?


Exactly. Most prisons use local hospitals.


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Stocks, whippings, public canings, public executions. If we make them the normal punishments they are no longer unusual. The cruel part may take some getting around.


Far less cruel than separating a man from his family, and a child from his father. The child to grow up fatherless and poor, rudderless and bereft of family. The father to be subjected to the horrors of the prison system, and to be rendered unemployable, and undesirable for the rest of his life.

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What..like go all Singapore and start caning people in the street?

It is an effective deterrent.

It would not have given this man a feasible way to get the treatments he needs. He probably would have had to have taken more drastic measures, then, and actually stolen something for the purpose of getting the money.

The problem here isn't the man. It's a society that has backed a man into a corner with no other recourse or options. (Which isn't to say I disagree with the caning option. Of course, this wouldn't have happened in Singapore. They have about the best healthcare system in the world. Rather low on the personal freedom thing, though.)

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