The Glade 4.0

Nah, that's Khross Diamondeye. Elmo is fairly consistent, its simply that his consistency leads him to the point of rabid extremist libertarianism.

Even assuming it is...

so what?

Do whatever you can get away with. If it benefits you to break the law and you have no chance of getting caught? DO IT.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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Logical does not mean "right" in any moral or pragmatic sense. He is, however, generally thoroughly logical in his posts and opinions.

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Elmo has a rather logically consistant worldview, and applies it logically to his stances. The problem is his starting assumptions and ideology are a bit whacked.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Watching Khross be philosophically inconsistent and take a position of authority worship is sad and depressing.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

If one cannot proceed logically from their initial positions to conclusions then their opinions are structurally no different than any child's wild imaginations.

A worldview based on contradiction can never create a just system except in one's imagination where physical realities can be ignored.

One's house must be built on sturdier stuff than whim and fancy. Logic is a the cement that binds truth to truth.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

The least thought out statement of the year folks.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

It's very well thought out. Risk vs. Reward is at the core of nearly every decision we ever make. If the reward is great enough, then it may even be worth a substantial risk. If the risk is low enough, then even a paltry reward might make it worth it.

There's a reason why when asked, "Which superpower would you rather have, flight or invisibility?" most people pick invisibility.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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No, I'm not. Laws in and of themselves lack any moral component. The people that make and enforce the laws have their morals, but being in opposition to a person that holds some particular morality doesn't endow someone else with any moral superiority over them.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Is advocating honoring a contract you've signed that contains an exclusivity clause authority worship?

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Yeah, knowing him, you'd think the muppets morals would tend to support the contract, wouldn't you?

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In time, this too shall pass.

If the contract is unjust it is.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Really, authority worship? It's authority worship to expect a party to enter into a contract in good faith? It's philosophically inconsistent to expect a party to enter into a contract in good faith?

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Elmo assumes that governments break their contract with the governed and therefor he has no moral compunctions about breaking the contract from his side. He's consistent. Paranoid. But consistent.

Except in this case Elmo isn't consistent at all. The conditions of the contract cannot implicitly invalidate the contract when they are known and fully disclosed beforehand. It is a key component of Elmo's often iterated ideology that individuals have the right and freedom to enter contracts that bring them harm, especially if that harm is an established consequence of entering into the contract. In other words, people are free to choose things that cause them damage.

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But isn't there a cap on that line of thought? If I can kill the metermaid from 600 yards before she gets to ticket my car and get away with it should I? Or do I accept that I screwed up and forgot to feed the meter enough? Dramatic example but it falls into what you've stated. I'd be breaking the law but getting away with it.

Again, if big evil businesses do it.. OMG teh evil! If a percieved "victim" class does it... OMG evil business made him dooo eeeet!

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I don't assume that they do - the fact is that they do. Hell Korematsu v US should have been enough to let everyone know.

And I hardly think that holding one under duress and getting them to sign a contract that is demonstrably enforced by only one party for that same party's gain is either full disclosure or lack of duress.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Elmarnieh:

Who is forcing Xequecal to become a U.S. Citizen?

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Then don't sign it?

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If Taly ever comes to visit, remind me to put away my valuables. She would probably steal them.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

No one is to my knowledge.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

That depends. What do you feel about killing?

There is no absolute morality. Murder is only wrong to me because I feel it is wrong...but even then...there are exceptions! Killing an innocent? Wrong. (For me.) Killing some bastard that deserves it (for instance, a rapist or something)? Illegal, but not wrong. Doesn't mean I'd do it beacuse there's a chance of getting caught and the consequences are severe, but with no upside to myself.

Now, if you're what I see as a psychopathic ******* who has no qualms about killing an innocent, and you could get away with it, then yes, you probably should. And if the rest of society can catch you, they probably should nail your balls to the floor and play T-ball with your head. But everything is always relative.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Then who is responsible for his choice to enter into the contract to become a U.S. Citizen?

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Well, not if she's cute. Would it be possible to trank her and stuff her in the trunk until you get to your rural safehouse?

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It is his. That doesn't meant he has to enter into the contract with good faith since good faith is already known to be lacking on the other side. With no good faith its not a contract because it lacks full disclosure. Full disclosure would include a clause that says "all the restrictions the Federal Government outlines for itself in any mode of behavior is null and void if the Federal Government so wishes it to be".

So with the destruction of good faith it can't be a valid contract no matter what so it doesn't really matter morally what Xeq does.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville