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Ok, I'm not going to get into the right/wrong arguments about gun control. I am however going to cry foul at at least one of the arguments made here.

If guns were to be illegal, then it WOULD yield a net reduction in the existence of guns on the street or in possession of criminals. Anyone publicly posessing a gun, stopped for a traffic stop, or searched for any reason would have the weapons confiscated and not returned. Even if no conviction was obtained for say...drug charges, the weapons would be removed. Many criminals obtain their weapons from the same places as law abiding citizens or from gun shows, or by purchase from other 'legitimate' sources. if those sources dry up, then the only source of new weapons entering the system is smuggling.


Now I'm NOT advocating for making firearms illegal. I'm just stating that claims that making firearms illegal wouldn't take them out of criminals are fairly silly.

They get them less than they do in the U.S.

I wouldn't even say a *lot*.

They'll just be more expensive. And for crims.. that's not a *lot* harder since they just have to steal another car or two to get the really fancy shootin irons.

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Yes, so only the most well funded and well connected criminals will have guns...

still better than every thug with a grudge having one.....

lol. If you define "well funded" to mean anyone with a spare thousand dollars, then sure.

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I'm more scared of street thugs (usually but not always black people) than well connected criminals.

Doubtful. If guns were illegal, then everyone who legally possessed a gun would have to surrender it. If not, they would become a criminal. You might reduce the guns per capita of the current criminal population but you would be adding a entirely new population.

Actually, you didn't.

The evidence has repeatedly indicated that it is NOT harder for criminals to get guns if you make them illegal. Look at the armaments of drug cartels in Mexico.

People like to object to this with "but they get them from the U.S.!" Well, some they do, but the argument is sort of cheating. Underlying this is "if we made guns illegal everywhere it would work, and the problem with that is that we don't control "everywhere". Large portions of the world have no realistic hope of enacting gun control, because the government that would enact it is hideously incapable of enforcing it, or any other law, effectively.

There's also the problem that it misses the point. Again, gun control is mainly a solution looking for a problem. The problem is "violent crime"; focusing on "gun control" or "criminals that have guns" is essentially just focusing on one arbitrarily selected part of the larger societal issue of violent crime simply because it involves guns. People like to focus on the gun as providing a means to commit opportunity crimes, but this is usually done by people who are ignorant of firearms and vastly overestimate their effectiveness compared to a knife. This is entertaining because they inevitably start noticing the weaknesses of firearms as soon as the issue of self-defense comes up. Those who do know something about firearms tend to be law enforcement and military personnel that have an inflated sense of their own expertise with weapons, and an unreasonable estimation both of the level of training needed to handle a weapon safely, and of the average level of civilian ability.

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You need to have a reason to own a firearm in Australia, and self-defense doesn't count. Generally you have to be a competitive shooter or require the use of a firearm for your job in order to possess one.

Australia used to have very permissive gun laws comparable to the US, then Martin Bryant shot 56 people and firearms were pretty much banned nationwide.

That's kinda silly when you think about it. There are all kinds of dangerous **** that lives in your back yard in Australia. Everyone should own a gun to protect themselves from that ****.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Actually, that's something I linked in my post. And the "reasons" are pretty lax, though self defense is indeed omitted as valid.



None of those require being a competitive shooter or requiring one for your job. It is as simple as stating "Yeah, I want to hunt/kill pests (kangaroos)/collect guns."

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North America actually has deadlier wildlife. I suspect a lot of it is because we hear all about how scary and dangerous lions, tigers, and venomous Australian critters are that we forget a mountain lion can kill you.

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