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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:41 am 
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Taly's right that there is "nothing new under the sun" when it comes to authoritative abuse, lack of respect for authority. However I'm concerned that we're raising a generation that largely buys into this "all cops are pigs" BS, acts appropriately and feeds the cycle.



I object to authority on general principle, but not necessarily the people who have it. Everyone is an individual. It would be the worst kind of collectivist thinking to assume that the man with the badge is automatically a pig. The badge itself isn't a reason to respect or disrespect the person who carries it. They are still just people, for better or for worse. They are, however, people with a greater opportunity to inconvenience me than others, due to their authority. Authority magnifies human flaws because those same flaws have a greater opportunity to impact others.

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Talya wrote:
It would be the worst kind of collectivist thinking to assume that the man with the badge is automatically a pig.
No, it would be a racial stereotype.

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I don't see why it can't be. It we can make **** like your skin color into a race, why not professions?

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Well, we could always start calling you a pinko commie, pink skin.

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I prefer the pejorative "cracka" personally.

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So he's a cracka commie?

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Works for me. Although, technically he's a Jew. So maybe Kikommie works better ;)

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Yes, if cops could be sued directly, we would have no more cops. Let's face it, that statement is more damning of the police than it is of the lawsuit-happy civilians.


Not at all. If, as an engineer, I could be sued personally if a project I designed failed and killed someone (a levee, a bridge, a dam, etc), you bet your *** I would change professions.


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I thought you were legally responsible if you put your engineer's stamp on something.

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Müs wrote:
I thought you were legally responsible if you put your engineer's stamp on something.


My company can be sued, the same way a police department can be sued. That's why we pay a **** ton for professional liability. But I'm not personally responsible. I could lose my license, or be prosecuted if I broke the law, same as a cop.


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There is just going to be more and more of these incidents as time goes on. People aren't taught the same values that this system was assuming the cadets held.


In my day, we had to walk through three miles, in the snow uphill (both ways!) ...


This is bullshit. It's not getting worse. It's been like this for all of human history. Society is disintegrating, values are not deteriorating. The world is not going to ****...it has always been ****.


While this might be true (or could very well be untrue) regarding the average condition of human civilization, it ignores the possibility of cyclical behavior within society. To proffer that society has largely clung close to some average quality largely ignores the social dynamics associated with societal development and collapse on a national or regional scale.

Also, the aggregate condition of society largely is dependent on quality of life humans experience. This is affected by the quality of the environment in terms of things such as abundance and access to natural resources and the environment itself. It is also dependent upon population density. To say the aggregate condition of human society is a relative constant throughout human history is to ignore changes to such factors. I would suggest this is a hazardous assumption to make at best.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Müs wrote:
I thought you were legally responsible if you put your engineer's stamp on something.


My company can be sued, the same way a police department can be sued. That's why we pay a **** ton for professional liability. But I'm not personally responsible. I could lose my license, or be prosecuted if I broke the law, same as a cop.


I'm personally liable, working in finance. I don't see why you shouldn't be.

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Maybe it has something to do with the different nature of the work being performed.

Or maybe you should have insurance, and not be personally liable either.

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Oh, I do. But my liability doesn't end there.

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Neither does that of law enforcement, nor that of engineers. Like Arathain said, he can lose his license and be prosecuted if he broke the law.

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If I screw up, I could potentially kill people (same with a cop). Why in the hell would I ever work in a profession where my life could be ruined easily for making a mistake? I will not gamble my life, livelihood and family on the assumption that I will perform an entire career with perfection.


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