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 Post subject: I love Andrew Klaven
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I object to lumping Kermit the Frog in with the mainstream media.

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More fun(and since Aizle seems to be a big fan).


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I don't believe the tea party represents that much of America.

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I don't believe the tea party represents that much of America.

The tea party as portrayed in the media doesn't represent much of America, The Tea party Ideals and principles are far more reaching than anyone wants to admit, That's why the Tea party must be demonized and belittled at ever opportunity.

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Aizle wrote:
What an idiot.

Care to elaborate?

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Damn, does LadyKate know? You're going to break her heart.

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Maybe she'd just want to watch.

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Not LK, she'd want to participate.

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Aizle wrote:
What an idiot.


I'd probably go with bullshit artist being paid to seek attention on behalf of those "fringe" elements he's decrying as "middle". Each side has them.......they holler "we aren't fringe! we are normal, average Americans!" They fool some people some of the time......so I guess it pays off.


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Sam wrote:
Aizle wrote:
What an idiot.


I'd probably go with bullshit artist being paid to seek attention on behalf of those "fringe" elements he's decrying as "middle". Each side has them.......they holler "we aren't fringe! we are normal, average Americans!" They fool some people some of the time......so I guess it pays off.


Yeah, basically this. He's as much of a "putz" as Michael Moore.


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What substantive reasons do you have for that thought, Aizle?

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What substantive reasons do you have for that thought, Aizle?



I can answer that.

He said something that disagreed or put his dear leader in a bad light.

No argument on which side Klavan's bread is butterted, but is he acutully wrong in in what he says or what he is pointing out?

Also, I wish I could have bet on Aizle not actually refuting what Klavan said and then just agreeing with someone else who also didn't refute anything either. I could have won a mint.

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He's obviously not making any substantive points so much as he is telling Tea Partiers what he wants to hear, but he is nowhere near the level of sheer absurdity that Michael Moore is.

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What substantive reasons do you have for that thought, Aizle?


He's manipulating the information that's presented in his videos, editing footage and selectively picking data points that only bolster his biased opinions and then sensationalizing it all to be larger than it is in reality.

He's basically doing the same things that Limbaugh, Moore and many other info-tainment people do to try and get their base riled up. It's misinformation at best and outright lies at worst.


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How is he doing that? His video appeared to be almost completely commentary and opinion; I didn't see any significant amount of information being presented, much less manipulated - unlike Michael Moore.

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Aizle wrote:
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What substantive reasons do you have for that thought, Aizle?


He's manipulating the information that's presented in his videos, editing footage and selectively picking data points that only bolster his biased opinions and then sensationalizing it all to be larger than it is in reality.

He's basically doing the same things that Limbaugh, Moore and many other info-tainment people do to try and get their base riled up. It's misinformation at best and outright lies at worst.



What did he lie about? Pointing out hypocrosy is lying?

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He's lying about the teabaggers representing mainstream America. They're fringe conservatives. The mainstream media represents mainstream America. Why do you think they're called the mainstream media?

That's the problem with conservatives. They just don't think.

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I wonder if anyone will read it this time ...

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I'm trying man, seriously trying, but good grief he's painful to read.


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He didn't take the time to make it readable enough. I'm sure he has good points but it is difficult to decipher.


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TL;DR version? I got a headache from the first paragraph.

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Someone translate it to to appropriate grade level.

It's hard for me to tell outside the small amount of people I know. I think the average person gets their opinions from a major media outlet of their choice. (FOX/CNN/MSNBC etc) It's easy to access and they tell you directly what to think. Not that I'm super smart, but I try. I can't really regurgitate details from every thing I read though.

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