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They want for something more Orwellian.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/portugal-reels-after-moodys-junk-rating-20110707-1h2yn.html

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Portugal reels after Moody's junk rating
July 7, 2011 - 1:44AM

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Bailed-out Portugal paid an immediate price on Wednesday for a drastic Moody's rating downgrade to junk status, having to offer investors a much higher rate of return to raise fresh funding.

Dropped four notches to Ba2, Lisbon found itself on the defensive in the markets as rattled investors demanded more for their money, with the new government's tough austerity program forgotten quickly in the crossfire.

Portugal did manage to raise 848 million euros ($A1.15 billion) for three months at a yield, or rate of return, of 4.926 per cent, but this was up from the 4.863 paid at a similar sale on June 15.

Worse still, the yield on its benchmark 10-year bond soared above 12 per cent for the first time ever, and compared with 10.755 per cent late Tuesday as the downgrade sparked fresh nerves about the whole eurozone debt crisis.

"The sale was clearly affected by this decision and investors ended up demanding higher interest when, in the last ten days, short-term rates had fallen," Filipe Silva, fixed-income strategist at Carregosa bank said.

Moody's said its downgrade reflected "the growing risk that Portugal will require a second round of official financing before it can return to the private market (to raise funds)."

In other words, it did not believe that a first bailout of 78 billion euros ($A105.86 billion) agreed with the European Union and International Monetary Fund earlier this year would stabilise Portugal's public finances.

It said it was increasingly concerned that Lisbon would not meet the deficit reduction and debt stabilisation targets agreed with the EU and IMF.

In addition, it seemed likely that in a second bailout private sector creditor banks would have to take some of the pain, as is now being mooted for Greece which was bailed out in May 2010 and now needs another deal to keep it afloat.

Analysts at French brokers Aurel BGC said Moody's now appeared to be taking a much harder line "regarding countries requesting help from Europe (and that) ... a downgrading of the sovereign rating would become automatic."

At Credit Mutuel-CIC, strategists said the decision by Moody's "threatens to re-ignite worries about the strength of the eurozone just as a resolution of the Greek case seemed to be offering a period of respite."

Local analysts said the downgrade would make life much harder for Portugal.

"The banks and companies are going to have a much more difficult time in raising finance," said Cristina Casalinho of BPI bank, noting that growth is going to come under even more pressure.

The reaction elsewhere was sharp, with EU officials rounding on Moody's and the ratings agencies in a scathing attack on their credibility.

"We must break the oligopoly of the ratings agencies," said German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, adding that he wanted to "break" their power and "limit" their influence.

European Union officials and ministers reacted furiously, having already been alarmed by a Standard and Poor's statement on Monday that proposals for a debt rollover in a second Greek rescue would be tantamount to default, raising the risk of a damaging contagion effect.

"I deeply regret the decision of one rating agency to downgrade the Portuguese sovereign debt and I regret it most in terms of its timing and magnitude," said European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso.

The agency's remarks "do not provide for more clarity, they rather add another speculative element to the situation," he said.

At Credit Mutuel-CIC, strategists said in a note: "The face-off between the rating agencies and the European authorities is going to get tougher."

Amadeu Altafaj, the commission's spokesman for economic affairs, said Moody's timing was "questionable" and based on "hypothetical scenarios" which contradicted the European Union's own assessments.

"This is an unfortunate episode and raises once more the issue of the appropriateness of behaviour of credit agencies and of their so-called clairvoyance," he told a news briefing.

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I don't get it. Why even be mad at the ratings agency? All they really do is represent the general perception of credit-worthiness. If you don't pay back money, you're not going to get to borrow it in the future, ratings agencies be damned.

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Rafael wrote:
I don't get it. Why even be mad at the ratings agency? All they really do is represent the general perception of credit-worthiness. If you don't pay back money, you're not going to get to borrow it in the future, ratings agencies be damned.


Because they don't want independent review of their failing monetary and economic policies.

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But they will get one no matter what. Investors, by their nature, generally perform the due diligence required when investing or have someone do it on their behalf. When they can't get sufficient information, they won't invest. Otherwise, they won't be investing very long.

The exception, is of course, when we dis-incentivize such investigation through policy such as guaranteeing against loss.

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I'm aware of this, and you're aware of this, but it doesn't make it any less ugly.

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When the EU has their own agency, they can shoot rainbows up every ***.

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Rafael wrote:
But they will get one no matter what. Investors, by their nature, generally perform the due diligence required when investing or have someone do it on their behalf. When they can't get sufficient information, they won't invest. Otherwise, they won't be investing very long.

The exception, is of course, when we dis-incentivize such investigation through policy such as guaranteeing against loss.


They can delay this somewhat by moving against the agencies and confusing investors. It will all sort out in the end.


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Unless they find a way to silence them. "Your facts are ruining the world economy. It's illegal to do that now."

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When everyone has **** credit, those with the least **** credit will be the new top tier. So the US doesn't need to maintain a super rating, just better than everyone else. Of course I base this on the fact that these delusional idiots keep pissing away money they don't have and will never stop as long as there is a drip coming from the faucet.

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