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The thing missing from the article (to get back on topic) is how much of the human genome they actually used? Seriously they want to give a monkey a mop of red hair, and we're going to go apeshit (pun intended) about it?

We borrow genes from one species and add it to others with some frequency now (cf. glow in the dark mice, etc). If you could grow a couple of human livers in a cow how is this a bad thing?


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But aren't they doing it in violation of a law?

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Figures seen by the Daily Mail show that 155 ‘admixed’ embryos, containing both human and animal genetic material, have been created since the introduction of the 2008 Human Fertilisation Embryology Act.

This legalised the creation of a variety of hybrids, including an animal egg fertilised by a human sperm; ‘cybrids’, in which a human nucleus is implanted into an animal cell; and ‘chimeras’, in which human cells are mixed with animal embryos.


Nope.

Beyond that, what if they could give humans the regenerative capabilities of lizards, (regrow lost limbs), or similar adaptations.

I know the religious zealots here have their objections to genetic engineering, but lets face it, the power exists out there, and it WILL be used by someone.

Hybrid doesn't have to be half/half. If we found a species immune to cancer (no, sharks are not despite the urban legend to the contrary) and we could incorporate that adaptation into ourselves...


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Please be sure to demonstrate your "open minded" approach to religion and the religious, and continue to throw around terms like "religious zealots".
If you wanted to be thought of in terms more glowing than "passive-aggressive" and "needlessly antagonistic" maybe not casting a vague net over everyone who disagrees with you might be a way to go. Actually "speak truth to power" and call out these zealots and show why they are such zealotty zealots. Until you can bring yourself to do that, you'll continue to come across as a grudge holding little man without facts to back up his assertions.

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Beyond that, what if they could give humans the regenerative capabilities of lizards, (regrow lost limbs), or similar adaptations.

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Beyond that, what if they could give humans the regenerative capabilities of lizards, (regrow lost limbs), or similar adaptations.

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Obviously, then we will need to hybridize spider and human DNA.

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Obviously, then we will need to hybridize spider and human DNA.

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That's one possibility, but I feel like a spider/human hybrid could go horribly, horribly wrong.


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Please be sure to demonstrate your "open minded" approach to religion and the religious, and continue to throw around terms like "religious zealots".
If you wanted to be thought of in terms more glowing than "passive-aggressive" and "needlessly antagonistic" maybe not casting a vague net over everyone who disagrees with you might be a way to go. Actually "speak truth to power" and call out these zealots and show why they are such zealotty zealots. Until you can bring yourself to do that, you'll continue to come across as a grudge holding little man without facts to back up his assertions.


Tell you what... you can exclude yourself from any of my broad generalizations as soon as you stop making antagonistic comments my direction. You want a clean slate from this moment on, I'll give it to you, as long as I can also be free from your disparaging comments. But unless you're willing to follow suit this is just pot/kettle crap.


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No, see I don't want to exclude myself from your broad generalizations. I want you to realize what you look like to the rest of us that when make them. Sorry, it's not "pot/kettle crap", because I'm addressing you directly rather than using your method of passive-aggressive generalizations.

No one had even made a single religious comment, that I am aware of (not to mention a "zealous" one), until you launched into your latest show of "open-mindedness" with a far from unusual vague attack on people who believe differently than yourself.

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Fear of scientific progress is not limited to religious types. Don't forget, The Island of Doctor Moreau was an H.G. Wells novel, and his concerns were far from biblical. Scientific research taken too far is a common theme in fiction, and it is starting to offend me. We've never opened a pandora's box with science, we've never been mere children playing at godhood. Science should develop as quickly as possible in every direction we can think of.

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That's because it's really hard to write a good story where lack of scientific progress **** over humanity. Nobody really wants to read a story or watch a movie in which their species gets enslaved and subjugated by a superior being. Meanwhile, you can write a compelling story where a rogue scientist gets out of control and has to be stopped by "more responsible" human beings in order to advance some agenda about what should not be.

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That's actually what I wish would happen in every single alien invasion movie. If they have the technology to get here, they're going to be able to easily subjugate us.


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I do too from time to time, but the audience would never go for it. We have a deep-seated psychological need to downplay the importance of science and technology. Frankly, science and technology makes us feel really, really dumb. We don't like that.

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That's because it's really hard to write a good story where lack of scientific progress **** over humanity.


The Bubonic Plague **** over humanity, that's not fictional though.


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And about the only movie you could make out of that is a sappy doomed romance flick starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet. Too bad that movie's already been made.

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That's because it's really hard to write a good story where lack of scientific progress **** over humanity.



Unga was cold in the night, for he never discovered fire. Then he died of exposure. The End.

I have quite possibly written better fiction than Stephanie Meyer... where is my movie deal?

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That's because it's really hard to write a good story where lack of scientific progress **** over humanity.



Unga was cold in the night, for he never discovered fire. Then he died of exposure. The End.

I have quite possibly written better fiction than Stephanie Meyer... where is my movie deal?


No, no, no. You need conflict.

Unga was cold in the night. The wind howled directly into his meager cave as he tore another strip of flesh from the deer that he had scavenged. Shivering and hungry, he was close to death. Unga knew this, but he was powerless to change his lot. He had no blanket, no fire, and a branch that had fallen from a tree.

Grok had watched Unga, and knew that this would be his chance to make a friend. He gathered his satchel of things and hefted his torch and advanced to Unga's cave.

"Grahh! Ook urga mok ganga!"

Unga was startled at the sudden appearance of this stranger. He grabbed his tree branch and savagely beat Grok to death. Frightened of the torch, he pushed it into a nearby snowbank and extinguished it. He then threw the satchel of things as far away as he could. Unga returned to the back of his cave, cold and shivering and waited for death.

He didn't wait long.

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No, no, no. You need conflict.

Unga was cold in the night. The wind howled directly into his meager cave as he tore another strip of flesh from the deer that he had scavenged. Shivering and hungry, he was close to death. Unga knew this, but he was powerless to change his lot. He had no blanket, no fire, and a branch that had fallen from a tree.

Grok had watched Unga, and knew that this would be his chance to make a friend. He gathered his satchel of things and hefted his torch and advanced to Unga's cave.

"Grahh! Ook urga mok ganga!"

Unga was startled at the sudden appearance of this stranger. He grabbed his tree branch and savagely beat Grok to death. Frightened of the torch, he pushed it into a nearby snowbank and extinguished it. He then threw the satchel of things as far away as he could. Unga returned to the back of his cave, cold and shivering and waited for death.

He didn't wait long.


Now we are looking at a Lord of the Rings style movie deal.... that would need to be split into 4 movies, directed by Peter Jackson and thanking the entirety of New Zealand.

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Experiments to make animals look, sound or even think like people could soon be on the research agenda, according to a UK scientific body that has warned politicians and the public to start considering the implications.

The Academy of Medical Sciences has spent the past 18 months investigating present and future research into “animals containing human material”.

So far humanisation of animals has been limited to the insertion of relatively small numbers of human genes or cells into laboratory animals, mainly mice. This has led to many advances in understanding the causes of diseases and devising treatments for them, without triggering regulatory or ethical concerns beyond those already associated with animal research.

The academy’s review is based on what might happen in the near future, given the rapid pace of biological research.

“We are not aware of any work going on now that is likely to cause anxiety, but we wanted to take a proactive look at an area of science that has not received much public attention,” said Martin Bobrow, a medical genetics professor at Cambridge university who chaired the inquiry.

The review identified three types of experiments that might soon become possible and would cause particular concern: modifying animal brains to mirror human “cerebral function”; fertilising human eggs or sperm in an animal; or endowing animals with characteristics perceived as uniquely human such as facial shape, skin texture or speech.

Mice with human livers are already used in toxicology research. US scientists have also created mice in which one-quarter of the brain cells are human neurons, and they have discussed – but not gone ahead with – making a mouse in which all neurons are derived from human stem cells.

“If you replaced an entire mouse brain with human neurons, it would almost certainly still be a mouse, though with some interesting changes,” Prof Bobrow said. “But for something with a bigger and more complex brain, such as a primate, it is hard to guess what the result would be.”

Another controversial move would be to make animals sound like humans. A gene associated with human language has been transferred to mice. “These animals vocalise slightly differently from ordinary mice – but they don’t speak,” said Robin Lovell-Badge, head of stem cell biology at the National Institute for Medical Research.

“If you come home and your pet parrot says, ‘Who’s a pretty boy then?’, that’s one thing,” added Christopher Shaw, neurology professor at King’s College London. “If your pet monkey says it, that’s another.”

The academy recommends that the Home Office, which regulates animal experiments in the UK, establish a national expert body to provide specific advice on sensitive types of research involving humanised animals.


also relevant: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/52065fcc ... z1TKZ2Shl4


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Great. So now we're gonna have to pay welfare for all the stray cats?

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