The Glade 4.0

I don't really care. I find a lot of the views here intolerable.



I didn't bother to look. I said it was probable, not certain. If not, it really means he was just an idiot.

There really should be laws requiring you to properly identify yourself once you are arrested upon probable cause. Not identifying yourself is not a right, nor does it pertain to any right against self-incrimination.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

So, indeed, there is no such law?

Under what grounds, then, was he held?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

If you refuse to testify in court, you can be locked up until you agree to testify. This is true even if you're almost certainly innocent of any other crime other than refusing to testify.

I do not see how this is any different. If you don't identify yourself, you can be held until you do. Giving your name is not self-incrimination, so there is no reason why the police/government can't require you to identify yourself.

The amount of hostility towards police in this thread is astounding. There is no reason other than a flat out mistrust/hatred of police in general for one to think one should not have to give the police their name.

Given that throughout the history of the United States, police have repeatedly shown a willingness to abuse their power and authority, mistrust/hatred of police should be the default assumption for any rational citizen. Indeed, our entire society is founded upon the idea that authority figures are not immune to corruption and should be regarded with suspicion.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

This.

Of course authority figures aren't immune to corruption. The position here seems to be that all but a few police officers are corrupt at best, and actively sadistic at worst. They're just looking for ANY reason to throw random people in prison no matter what. If you're chatting with some random guy on the street that you met fifteen minutes ago and he asks your name, do you refuse to give it to him? Of course you don't trust this guy you just met, but you're still going to give him your name. Refusing to give cops your name demonstrates rampant paranoia that goes far beyond mistrust.

Funny - post in a gun forum by a former leo defending the forums critique of a specific incident against an LEO saying that most cops are good cops:

"I was in law enforcement. Wore a bright shiny silver badge, niffy cool handcuffs, and two guns. What I learned in those SEVEN (7) years is this. To be a good cop is a falsehood. There are no good cops. There are only those who are less likely to be criminally minded and abusive. The only people I saw who make it in Law Enforcement are the worst backstabbing, lying, dirty, rotten scum our society has. I learned not to fear the criminal but to fear those whom I worked with. Hiding/shredding reports, planting evidence, beating those who couldn't even defend themselves, stomping the **** out of those who couldn't afford a speaking voice, controlling the illegal drug trade, and putting men in prison whom they didn't like or feared.

Thats what I learned in 7 years. Good, honest, decent, hard working people can't make it in law enforcement as a career because they are not corrupt enough. Plain and Simple!

Cops? I was one and I wouldn't trust a cop to feed my hogs slop.

CL"

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

At your own trial? No, you can't be compelled to testify.


If said random guy was going to immediately research whether I had committed any wrongdoings with the intent to incarcerate or otherwise punish me, no I wouldn't give this person my name. Come to think of it, I probably wouldn't give some random guy on the street my name anyway.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So now we are going to extend the definition of "Contempt of Court" to include people who won't give their name during an arrest?

That appears to be what we're doing.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I have to ask, what makes the judge more trustworthy than the police officer? Why can he demand you give him information while a police officer can't? They're both government agents.

I'd go with the fact that it's open court and there are witnesses to, and records of, the judge's actions.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Accountability, education, setting, circumstances.



Because that's what the law allows.

Since none of your given is a given, we can pretty much ignore this as another incidence of you trolling.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Depends on the state as to whether it was a law. He was held, as far as I can tell, to determine if there was a valid warrant for him.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

So you're agreeing with shuyung.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Don't cops have to provide ID when asked for it? I believe they do. Pretty much evens things out, right?

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In time, this too shall pass.

Not really, since they are on duty. If they're walking down the street off duty, do they have to show me their ID if I ask? If not, it's not even.

The guy wasn't just walking down the street, he was committing a crime. He put the whole thing in motion and because of that, both he and the cops were obligated to provide ID.

Seems to work out even to me.

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In time, this too shall pass.

He was accused of a crime.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

He hasn't committed a crime until he is convicted in a fair court of law of proper jurisdiction, hence not you.

That's irrelevant, I'm not arguing if the guy was committing a crime, I'm saying that the guy put a situation in motion that resulted in both he and the cops being obligated to provide identification to each other, so any argument about this proving that cops are a privileged special class because someone has to provide their name when they're arrested is bullshit. They're equally obligated.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Mexico reports an official unemployment rate of 4.9%...

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

And New Zealand was the first major nation to have universal suffrage. In 1893 it became legal for all male and female citizens of New Zealand to vote.

Oh wait, you're not just posting non-sequitur facts, you're posting in the wrong thread. My mistake.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Ha!

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Ezekiel 23:19-20