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I've not seen anything in the content of his character worth voting for, unless one finds lying, demagoguery, race baiting, class warring and continual campaigning to be worth voting for.

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It allows Obama to spend after he's been reelected thus showing what's truly important to him. Unfortunately no one will likely pick up on that.

Also cuts are starting at 2013 and over ten years with really little accountability.

It's a business as usual deal.


You're presuming he'll be reelected.

well now he has an increased ability to spend and buy votes. So far I haven't seen anyone in the Republican brawl who can take his politcial machine. Especially with the Republican's proving they have no spine.

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The date doesnt seem so bad...

Although you guys might start paying the same gas prices the rest of the world have been paying soon :popcorn:

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The blueprint negotiated between Obama and congressional leaders would include more than $US900 billion ($A823 billion) in cuts over the next 10 years - $US350 billion ($A320 billion) of it in defence. A special congressional committee would then be asked to come up with another $US1.5 trillion ($A1.4 trillion) in cuts to report by November 23.

A failure by the committee would trigger automatic cuts - half in defence spending, a priority for many Republicans. Automatic cuts would not touch Democratic-backed Social Security and Medicare payments for the elderly, although they would still affect providers of the health care program.


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WITH barely a day to act, a polarised US House of Representatives has approved a massive austerity plan to avert a debt default that could have wreaked havoc through the global economy.

After intense round-the-clock talks, the Republican-led House voted 269-161 on a package backed by President Barack Obama to raise the limit on the US debt and authorise at least $US2.1 trillion ($A1.9 trillion) in spending cuts over the next decade.

The Democratic-led Senate was to vote later, but the measure appeared to be less controversial there than in the House.

The government needs to raise the debt ceiling by 2pm tomorrow (AEST) or the world's largest economy will run out of cash to pay its bills.

Adding to the drama, Representative Gabrielle Giffords - who was seriously injured in a shooting rampage in Arizona on January 8 - returned to the House floor for the first time for the vote, setting off a standing ovation.

The vote was a key test for House Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, who said before the vote that the package would start “fixing our fiscal problems” and “provide more confidence for employers in America”.

The ultraconservative “Tea Party” in the Republican Party had demanded a hard line. Tea Party favourite Michele Bachmann opposed the deal as too tepid, although other members of the movement called the deep spending cuts a triumph.

Liberal Democrats were outraged at what they saw as an abandonment by Mr Obama of core principles. Representative Nancy Pelosi, the top House Democrat and member of the party's left-wing flank, took to the floor before the vote and pleaded with her colleagues to consider supporting the package.

“I'm not happy with it, but I'm proud of some of the accomplishments contained in it and that's why I'm voting for it,” said Ms Pelosi, who lost her job as House speaker when Republicans triumphed in November elections.

“Please think of what could happen if we defaulted. Please, please, please come down in favour of preventing the collateral damage to our seniors and our veterans,” she said.

Liberals were aghast that the plan relied on spending cuts and did not include increases in tax revenues from the rich and wealthy corporations, although Mr Obama has called for letting tax cuts for the top brackets expire in January 2013.

“This deal is a sugar-coated Satan sandwich. If you lift the bun, you will not like what you see,” Democratic Representative Emanuel Cleaver, who heads the Congressional Black Caucus, said on his Twitter feed.

Financial markets also showed concern, with early optimism evaporating on worries the deal could fall short in Congress or fail to prevent a painful downgrade of Washington's top triple-A debt rating.

A downgrade could push up US interest rates, making debt payments more expensive and affecting any flexible-rate loan in the sputtering US economy, still grappling with historically high unemployment of 9.2 per cent.

Vice President Joe Biden, a 36-year veteran of the Senate, held talks on Capitol Hill to press fellow Democrats to back the deal, fruit of six months of fitful talks between President Obama and his Republican foes.

Emerging from closed-door talks with House Democrats, Mr Biden said he had heard an earful of their “frustration” but that there was a “a sword of Damocles hanging over everyone's heads”.

The blueprint negotiated between Obama and congressional leaders would include more than $US900 billion ($A823 billion) in cuts over the next 10 years - $US350 billion ($A320 billion) of it in defence. A special congressional committee would then be asked to come up with another $US1.5 trillion ($A1.4 trillion) in cuts to report by November 23.

A failure by the committee would trigger automatic cuts - half in defence spending, a priority for many Republicans. Automatic cuts would not touch Democratic-backed Social Security and Medicare payments for the elderly, although they would still affect providers of the health care program.

White House spokesman Jay Carney rejected Democratic criticism that the package does not raise revenue, saying that the special committee could recommend measures such as cuts in oil and gas subsidies.

In a key point for Mr Obama, the package will raise the debt ceiling into 2013 -- meaning he will not be forced into a similar showdown with Congress on spending in the midst of his re-election campaign next year.

The debt ceiling would rise by up to $US2.4 trillion ($A2.2 trillion) in two steps. The US government hit its current debt limit of $US14.3 trillion ($A13 trillion) on May 16 and has since been operating through spending and accounting adjustments, as well as higher than expected tax revenue.

Japan, the second-largest foreign holder of US debt after China, hailed the deal. Beijing made no official comment, but its state-controlled television called the package “more pomp and ceremony than substance”.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, meanwhile, accused the United States of acting as a “parasite” on the world economy by living through debt rather than within its means.

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I've not seen anything in the content of his character worth voting for, unless one finds lying, demagoguery, race baiting, class warring and continual campaigning to be worth voting for.


You forgot the ever-important 'failing to fulfill campaign promises'...


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I for one voted for him based on the content of his character. And will do so again.


You say this without even knowing who he is running against?


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I've not seen anything in the content of his character worth voting for, unless one finds lying, demagoguery, race baiting, class warring and continual campaigning to be worth voting for.


You forgot the ever-important 'failing to fulfill campaign promises'...


I was feeling generous and categorized those under "lying".

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Heh I like the part where the Russians critize us.

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I for one voted for him based on the content of his character. And will do so again.


What content? He's a lying, cheating weasel that will say one thing and do another, and then tell you that everything is the fault of someone else. He's a speech maker, not an executive.

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"sugar-coated Satan sandwich"...

Awesome.

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"sugar-coated Satan sandwich"...

Awesome.


That's giving him way too much credit. He's not satan, he's just a tool.

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"sugar-coated Satan sandwich"...

Awesome.


That's giving him way too much credit. He's not satan, he's just a tool.


No, no, no...

That's what Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D) of the Congressional Black Caucus called the bill.

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That... that doesn't even make sense. Maybe, the sugar so we could choke it down, and the satan because noone likes it?

I dunno. Its a stupid metaphor.

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That... that doesn't even make sense. Maybe, the sugar so we could choke it down, and the satan because noone likes it?

I dunno. Its a stupid metaphor.


I'm just happy I didn't get called a racist.

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You'd think a guy with a Noel Peace Prize and some transparency awards would suggest pulling out of so many of our overseas adventures to save some money down the road too. Weird how the anti-war party during the Bush admin don't make those kinds of suggestions...

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That... that doesn't even make sense. Maybe, the sugar so we could choke it down, and the satan because noone likes it?

I dunno. Its a stupid metaphor.


I'm just happy I didn't get called a racist.


Well, you didn't call Obama a Tar-Baby, so you're safe - for now.

BTW, gotta love the comments after that story.

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I for one voted for him based on the content of his character. And will do so again.


How?


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I for one voted for him based on the content of his character. And will do so again.


Do you like being in abusive relationships, do you enjoy cognitive dissonance, do you not know what the words "content" or "character" mean, do you believe that character = black, do you not pay attention to politics at all, or are you just a moron?

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I for one voted for him based on the content of his character. And will do so again.


How?



Yeah Aizle, I know you are taking a beating for this statement but I'd really like to know how you came to this conclusion. When did this happen? Do you think that all the negative things that have come out about him are all lies? By this statement, it would seem that I can safely assume that if he was a conservative and on the republican side you would vote for him correct?

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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/coping-wit ... perplexed/

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I for one voted for him based on the content of his character. And will do so again.


How?


Yeah Aizle, I know you are taking a beating for this statement but I'd really like to know how you came to this conclusion. When did this happen? Do you think that all the negative things that have come out about him are all lies? By this statement, it would seem that I can safely assume that if he was a conservative and on the republican side you would vote for him correct?


It's simple really. I overall agree with the majority of his positions on most of the major issues. I think he's had to make a large number of very difficult decisions, especially related to the economy, but has piloted the country on the best course that was possible at the time.

Really the biggest area where I really am unhappy with the direction he has taken is on some of the transparency areas and continuation of the Patriot Act crap. But overall, I think he's been doing a good job.

I'd be curious to see what this list of "all the negative things" is. I suspect that the majority of them that you view as negative I view as positive.


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I understand that you believe in a different type of "role of government" policy than I do. However there are non policy issues that go to the "content of his character." That's what a lot of people are up in arms about. Just like the last guy, and better yet the guy before him.

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My major negative (and one that I think you would also consider a negative) is our continued involvement in so many oversea conflicts.... Including those that have been wholly started under Obama's watch.

I believe in the federal government spending on the military- especially research and national defense. I'm not a huge supporter of sustaining troops outside the US, or using our military for international peace keeping efforts.

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I thought you had a philosophical disagreement with neo-conservatism, Aizle?

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