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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:54 am 
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I was curious and am looking for a free download of a basic keylogger. I have found a few and they are trial versions that require a license to register.

Not up to anything nefarious, I was just curious as to the usage and thought one might come in handy in certain situations.

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Stop that.

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They would never be useful. It's a good way to get yourself into legal trouble. See wiretapping, invasion of privacy, phone hacking, etc.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
They would never be useful. It's a good way to get yourself into legal trouble. See wiretapping, invasion of privacy, phone hacking, etc.


Who are you, and what have you done with Lex?


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I could see the benefit of putting one on your own computer that everyone uses so you can make sure people don't use it for bad things.

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Raltar wrote:
I could see the benefit of putting one on your own computer that everyone uses so you can make sure people don't use it for bad things.


If it notifies you of their activities, and you don't have custody over them (i.e. they're your children), then it still could be illegal or at least legally gray.


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I can't imagine that being so if they are using your computer and not their own.

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Raltar wrote:
I can't imagine that being so if they are using your computer and not their own.


Some guy was being tried in criminal court because he snooped on his wife's email. So what I said is true. I don't know the result, however.


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Plan was to learn their usage for the eventual time when my children are going to be on the computer.

I am not trying to snoop on the wife, I actually told her about it and I just want to know what abilities I have so I can track what my children will (eventually) be doing on the computer.

EDIT - In other words, this is basically what I had in mind. I said I wasn't thinking anything nefarious. I was also considering it as a possible useful tool that Oonagh could use at school (with proper administrative support and permission) so as to monitor her students' PC usage.

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It's legal to use with children but still 'evil' in my opinion.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
It's legal to use with children but still 'evil' in my opinion.


Evil, in the sense that you don't think parents should use it as such?

Wait until you have children. You'll understand.

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Why is monitoring your children's computer usage evil? I really don't understand how someone could come to that conclusion, Lex.

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So children shouldn't also have a right to privacy?

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That isn't to say that it should necessarily be the default behavior, but parents should have the right to monitor their Childrens online activity if the situation warrants it.


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So children shouldn't also have a right to privacy?


Not when it comes to using their parent's computer.

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I've taught my kid pretty well...the one time I know of that he (and some friends) did something bad on the computer (at their house, not mine), he confessed when he came home and he was quite torn up about it too. My kid has a conscience, thank God.
I've tried to teach him safety and such as well as I can, and I'm going to trust that he's learned from me...I'll keep an eye on his comings and goings, but I don't feel the need to spy on him, I trust him.

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I'm also of a mind that keylogging isn't going to prevent them from doing stupid, harmful, or naughty ****. It's only going to tell you they've done it.

You want your kid to be safe on the computer? Use it with them. Be involved, instead of plunking them down and walking away. Likewise, the TV.

And if you must be paranoid, I'd rather look for ways to block access from stuff than to let you know after the fact that Junior's posting his name, age, and address on the Internet in a chat room.

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Pretty much what you said, Kaffis.

Oonagh and I have already decided that when the time comes, our child(ren) will not be unsupervised on the computer. The compter will likely be in a public family area rather than in their respective bedrooms. Additionally, I will most likely block sites that I don't want them going to.

Sure I know we can't protect them from everything, I just want to have the tools at my disposal to ensure that I know what they are doing so I can address it as needed.

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I'd like to suggest that parents give their children the benefit of the doubt rather than planning to secretly monitor what they type before they can even spell.
I know having kids is scary, and conscientious parents are constantly worried about their safety, but a parent trusting their kids and the kid trusting the parent is far and away more important than making sure every incidence of poor decision making by the child is discovered by the parent.

Oh, and LK:
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My company lists that link as a source of malicious code so beware Foamy.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
My company lists that link as a source of malicious code so beware Foamy.


Keyword flag, most likely.

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I'd like to suggest that parents give their children the benefit of the doubt rather than planning to secretly monitor what they type before they can even spell.
I know having kids is scary, and conscientious parents are constantly worried about their safety, but a parent trusting their kids and the kid trusting the parent is far and away more important than making sure every incidence of poor decision making by the child is discovered by the parent.

Oh, and LK:
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You don't have kids, do you Vindicarre?


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A keylogger is going to generate a lot of information you don't need and not give you the information you need. You might want to consider a filter program ( you'll want one of those anyway) with website recording. Win7 has family safety built in. Covenant Eyes and Be Secure are two cheap choices.

Email and Facebook are best controlled by requiring to have the passwords to such services. You can set your child up with a pop client and keep the messages on the server for you to review.

Children or anyone else can be subject to monitoring for using the Internet you are paying for. It's only an illegal violation of privacy if you do it without their knowledge. Just like the usage policy for your workplace.

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Easiest way to circumvent filtering is stick an Ubuntu Live-CD (or USB) in. Bam, done.


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