The Glade 4.0

Nope ...

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I think Khross is just being contrary. Maybe he would break if he actually liked something someone else does on this board politically.

Besides this is his last term already.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

He was defeated in 2008. And if you say he dropped out, that's being far too generous. That's like saying you weren't defeated in a golf match if you're so far behind you just quite before completing 18 holes.

Yeah...That really is a pretty terrible talking point.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I think you have Bachman and Paul confused with other people.

Paul is one of the least crazy politicians I've seen, and Bachman is completely off her lying/ignorant rocker.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

This. /\

Wow, lying and ignorant? At least one of those seems to be a required skill set for public office. Having both might make her overqaulified.

Seriously, if we exempted every politician who lied, or displayed ignorance, there would be no one in office...

I'm guessing you don't like her much?

I keep wondering what it is that has made so many believe Bachman is so crazy. I keep looking for stuff that points to her unfit mental capacity but haven't run into anything yet. I'm not some huge fan of hers but I mean, it's like with Palin. Some folks criticism isn't very rational. They've heard so many people say something negative about them so, hey, why not join in!

If your a huge Newsweek fan, then nuff said.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Ron Paul runs over his time often.

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I don't like her much, no. But I used lying/ignorant because I feel that either she's intentionally twisting historical facts to suit her, or honestly doesn't know better. Therefore, either lying or ignorant, take your pick.

As to why I dislike her:

There was her wonderful statement of how there are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of whom hold Nobel Prizes that are strong believers in Intelligent Design. So far, she hasn't been able to find a single one.

Then there was her campaigning in New Hampshire, where she claimed the first shot of the revolution was fired, the famed "shot heard round the world".

Then there was her speech on how all of the founding fathers of our country worked tirelessly to abolish all forms of slavery..... And apparently succeeded. In abolishing slavery during their lifetimes. Also, none of them were slave owners, obviously.

Then there was her move to try to block the Chinese government from forcing the US government from switching to a foreign currency... Based, apparently, on her misunderstanding of the suggestion that the dollar no longer be as centrally used in global finances.

Then there was when she tried to tie democratic presidents to outbreaks of the swine flu, sadly mistaking Ford for Carter as the president during the first outbreak.

I also like her take on the fact that it was the Hoot-Smalley tariffs that came into effect under FDR that started the great depression. Note: it was the Smoot-Hawley bill, and it was signed into law by Hoover.

Those are at least a few of the instances I have issues with. She is either hoping she can make up whatever historical facts she wants to support her arguments, or she really has that poor of a grasp on history. Its one thing not to know it, it's another to not even check your facts before you use them on the floor of the house during a speech.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Those are all fine things to find, but I'm going to just say that your standards are probably too high when it comes to judging politicians...

By that I mean, with very little effort you could find just as many equally (or far far more) stupid things said my just about anyone in public office...

Probably, yes. Doesn't mean I'm going to change them, though.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Bachmann also really, really despises gay people, to a point of almost barely contained seething hatred. You can see it whenever she's asked anything related to homosexuals or homosexual rights. She thinks homosexuality is an "identity disorder" that needs to be treated. She compares homosexuals to pedophiles, and is against hate crime laws for homosexuals while being for hate crime laws for blacks. Her husband ran a "pray out the gay" clinic.

politicians = ****. R, D, L, TP, BFL, it is all the same. They are all a corrupt lot who should be sacked, thrown into a bag of angry rats and dropped into a river

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

If Bauchman or/and Palin are soooo bad and irrelevant, why do liberals trip over themselves and each other trying to bash them?

I'm not saying I'd vote for either one for the primary seat(jury is still out on that one.) I'm just wondering if they are so utterly useless, why they seem to attract so much attention from the left.

Paul makes a better rep than a Pres. Some of the things that make him a great Rep would make him a good Pres, but he lacks a certain panache. Sorry Elm I loved the guy as my rep, but I dont feel him as an executive. I voted for him primarily in 2008 because no one else had good enough issues management. This is a different race.

Romney has it a bit more, but some of his issues scare me. Perry seems a good balance between the two.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Politicians merely represent those that vote for them DS

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I think Ron Paul would best serve this nation as Secretary of the Treasury. It is the single position from which he could best push his most central and salient point, using the powers of the modern executive.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Re: Perry -



/snicker. Too true...

Says two of the potential candidates who have zero chance to get the nomination.

/chuckle

This. He's not a bad guy but I don't want him with his finger on the button. Would be a huge upgrade from the tax cheat that us currently in the position.

I have a serious question for you.

I know you have a slight authoritarian bent, but beyond your personal preference fir warfare, what do you feel makes Paul "crazy"?

I assume you realize that he's about 99% right on the economy, while his opponents are all about 99% Obama on the economy...

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'll get you details later. But when I say crazy, I mean in that "he's gonna do what? That's crazy". Im sure he's pretty sane fella.

Ron Paul to me seems like a black and white morality person that sees every action as either objectively right or wrong, and should be done/not done regardless of the consequences. He's the ultimate "no compromise, ever" politician. That's what really scares me about him. He sounds like the type of guy who would reject a balanced budget law because of some minor transgression, like for example increasing the EPA's budget.

Sounds good to me... sign me up...

Thats what I'm talking about when I'm saying greater rep than executive. I'm sure if you were talking to him he'd tell you that your state is free to do all the environmental regulating it wants though

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"