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Well, I count myself as one, but I haven't really followed the latest for quite some time. But, if you just wanna bounce ideas off of us, sure, I'm always game. I love shopping for bikes.

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On and off. Like Aethien, I don't really consider myself an expert, but glad to help with ideas.

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I used to race years ago, but am no longer well versed on components, and frame technology has skyrocketed, so I'm afraid I'll be of no help...

Got an old slightly surface rusted rossin steel bike frame.its lovely. Going to get it powder coated if i can get these fffffkimg bracket caps off. Totally seized.

Grrr.

But!

Then... Groupset! Everything seems ugly and carbon fibre based these days. I dont like shimano flappy flight deck, but SRAM seems hideous. Ideas? Thinking force or ultegra. Last years sets - campy chorus is megabucks for what it is.

Compact chainset 10 speed?

Sigh. Stay retro or go popo?

Also

FREAKING BOTTOM BRACKT UNDO

Soaking in wd 40 now....

Wow, steel? As in Chrmoly? That is a nice find.

I looked into finding a Chromoly frameset when I was bike shopping last year. They are no easy to find, especially in my size (64cm). All of the Carbon Fiber and Aluminum stuff is soooooo stiff. Good for efficiency, but bad for a comfortable ride.

I had several Chromoly frames in my younger days, both road and track varieties. I was living in Colorado Springs on those days and got to race on the track across the street from the olympic training center.

Man, those were the good ole days.

As far as your gear goes, the only one that seems familiar to me is Ultegra, which back in the day was high end, along with the Campy racing stuff. How any of it stacks up today I couldn't say.

I do remember some advice I got when I was starting out. Don't skimp on wheels. Having a good set of wheels, suited to your riding style, makes all the difference in the world.

**** OW. Got one side of the bracket out. Arms are killing me. Had to use a socket, driver, extension and the bike seat post chained together to get enough leverage

OW.

How serious are taking this? Your post seems to be all over the place with the direction you want to go.

I've not used the Force line, but I have had several bikes with 105, Ultegra and Dura-Ace. 105 is passable in my opinion for light use and "around town" kind of riding, but I wouldn't use it on my regular road bike. Ultegra is pretty decent, but I find the derailers tend to develop issues faster than I would like. I currently have Ultegra on my bike, but the front derailer is pissing me off. However, it also has 7k miles on it, and I was not as diligent on this set with replacing chains as I should have been. The shifters and brakes I have never had any issues with (had some problems with 105 brakes getting dirty and sticking closed), though I have older rim brakes. I also tend to ride on 23s, though with my frame and height, I should be on 25s.

Dura-Ace... you get what you pay for, and its worth it if you are serious about riding in my experience, though its limited.

I have ridden bikes with Campagnolo components, but never long enough to develop a sense of their worth or performance. They worked like I expected and did their job.

However, if you are intending to do some distance riding in moderate to difficult environments (lots of climbs), I question your choice of the chrmoly frame... flexing frames while climbing is murder on derailers and your chain.

When I bought my most recent bike (granted, a couple years ago now), I spent more time on seat and bar selection than I did components or computer.

Of course, your milage may vary depending on the type of riding you do. I don't ride competitively, but more for endurance/site seeing, so its hours in the saddle at a time.

Im taking it as seriously as a novice can this is my first build. I ride every day on a cheap trek hybrid (commuting) and have the rossin frame effectively free - 75 pounds to strip, beadblast, powder coat and laquer it. The existing chainset is shark tooth worn, 9 speed 2 ring, tiagra, and the bottom bracket was seized, but is now out. The calipers and derailleurs seem in decent nick - a clean, change of cables and some rusting bolts and reindexing is probaly all it needs, but the groupset looks to be a late 90s tiagra, and as i said, i think i might prefer the SRAM double tap gear change to the wobbly brakes of the shimano. Never ridden SRAM though.

It'll be a summer time ride around the city and weekend jaunts - probably no more than 50-60 miles at a time. Its also very pretty, which doesnt hurt

Wheels are mavic open pro rims, and seem in good shape - no buckle or visible cracks. Given the state of the bracket and chainset, and the fact the levers seem to have been dropped and are old enough to run cables all over the place, rather than back along the bars, im considering a total uograde of the groupset & bottom bracket.

I dont really know how im going to get on with the drop bar riding style so changing out the bars, stem, seat, etc, seemed premature until i got a feel for it.

Make any sense at all? Very willing to be educated. Also, excited to be building it meself after basic maintenance on the trek, so educate in the spirit f enthusiasm pls

I prefer to have drop bars, but usually ride on the brake hoods. I have a long torso and arms, and it lets me stretch out without cramping my neck.

It's nice to have the drops for descents, or just to have an alternate hand position.

I used Campy components on the last bike I built. I loved it. Shifted cleanly and the hoods were wider for my hands than Shimano.

With regard to going 10-speed, you better check the drop-out spacing. If that frame was 6, 7, and (I think...) 8 speed, it won't work. I think 9 and 10 speed cassettes are on a completely different hub spacing. If it's a steel frame, you might be able to spread the drop-outs far enough to jam the hub in there, but I'd advise against it. I did this by putting 8-speed into an originally 6-speed frame once on an older bike. I ended up giving the bike to a friend, but I think the hub bearings were kinda shot.

I mixed and matched Campy groups and shopped sales. I went cheaper on brakes and front derailleur (Centaur). Since road bike front shifters tend to allow for trim (even on indexed shifters), there usually isn't much of a difference between groups other than a few grams and slight difference in feel.

Shifters, cassette, and rear derailleur were things I wanted higher quality. I wanted crisp shifting and got the Chorus offerings. No complaints and I'd do it again. At the time they were almost identical to Record. The Chorus BB was pretty good.

I haven't built a bike in a over 7 years. I can't comment on SRAM's offerings.

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Even if you go with the same gear count, you might have issues finding cassettes that are compatible with an older frame.

I had to retire my '94 road bike in '07 because the cassette and rear derailleur were both shot, but because of changes in frame design and connection points, I couldn't find anything that worked well. I could force a few things, but it also caused problems with the chain staying on gear. Nothing quite so annoying as working a steep multi mile climb while your back cassette keeps jumping.

Yeah, I used to have a very old Dawes (there's a name for you, Sui!) crit bike (with Reynolds 531 tubing) that I ended up giving to a friend of mine. He stripped it down and turned it into a fixie, mainly because nothing fit well on it. I think it was from the 70s.

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So any advice on sites to read and educate myself at before being all over the place again?

You could poke around on the forum at LFGSS. Even if you're not making a fixie there's a lot of good info there.

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How can you not love this? ;-p

http://superbbicycle.com/2011/04/28/cus ... ld-rossin/

34/50 and 12/25 seem a sensible ratio for primarily city road riding with some hills?

That is spectacular (although not my favorite color ).

I just hope whoever buys it has a velodrome nearby to ride it on.

There are a lot of fixed gear and single speed riders hurtling around roundabouts near me, in city traffic, stop start, from 1 mph to 30 in short stretches of road.

No brakes.

Lunatics.

Heh.. yea, I've seen a few of them around here too, but I just assumed they are some kind of freakish, self-punishment gluttons. I find sharing the bicycle paths with them annoying.

Why share a bicycle path! Get an indoor trainamabob!



Just got this in today Makes it a bit easier to bike when its 105 outside

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Holy shitsnacks!

Downtown L.A.? Nothing but single-speeds and fixies. I'm marginally impressed by the fixies, that at least takes some cojones to ride in traffic. It's still a stupid affectation, though, to me.

Fixed-gear riding was always done by racers early in the season to get their legs back in shape. I seriously doubt that Eddy Merckx rode a fixie past March or so.

Apologies to any single-speed or fixie riders out there. Just a pet peeve of mine. Mabe it's because my knees are almost shot, and I need gears, so I'm jealous?!

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So, settled on the Campagnolo Athena 11speed set, 50/39 front rings, 12-25 rear.

Thinking white industry h3 rear hub, h2 front, DT Swiss 465 rims, DT spokes. 32 rear, 28 front. Probably continental GT 4000s tyres - I'm 190lb right now (hence the desire for more excercise) and riding will be a combination of city commute, and weekend jaunt up down hills for long distances - comfort and durability important as well as speed for fun & the commute, and of course, looks.

I will maintain a second bike for genuinely rough off road stuff - this will be paved & tarmac only, though often in poor condition or greasy.

Sounds sweet. Post us some pics when you get it done!

Yeah ;-p The campag stuff is getting a lot of flack for the dumb down on the shifters & the new power torque cranks (cost saving on the lower end sets), but we'll see.

I am so seriously tempted by these....
http://hplusson.com/index.php?/tb14/
(click next to see the pics)

But I know, just know, they can't be as good as the DT Swiss. Even though they are so lovely looking and would fit the old steel frame bike so well...