The Glade 4.0

It's really sad that you feel that the only way to raise standards is by firing people.

Sure, sometimes that's necessary. I've personally fired many folks over the course of my career. But mentoring and training goes a long way. Especially in smaller companies.

It should also be noted that looking at the top/bottom 25% is a rediculous metric. If you're going to follow the old GE mantra, you really are looking at the top/bottom 10%.

The best part about the 21st Millennium is all the people who think they know business because of the local tech school. The second best part about the 21st Millennium is firing all those people with various Six Sigma Certifications because they don't know dick.

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I didn't say its the only way Aizle.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Six Sigma is useful - much more useful in certain fields than others.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I'm six sigma certified, and don't find it to be of much use in my field. But yes, i suspect results might vary.

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Taly do you get any input to control the processes that support the workflow of incidents?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

More than I want, less than I need.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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In some places, you can be the very best, most productive employee in the company and still get laid off, because lay-offs are strictly by seniority.

Nothing either of you do will benefit from Six Sigma in any meaningful way.

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I'm in agreement with Khross on this one. I got my Six Sigma Certification too (it was required.) but it has zero impact on my ability to do my job. Particularly since we dont implmenet it in any meaningful fashion.

How long was your Six Sigma course, TheRiov?

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What's wrong with wanting your manufacturing to generate reliable products at a percentage of six standard deviations on a normalized Gaussian distribution?

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The course itself was self-paced, set up by my employer, I don't recall how long I actually took. Why do you ask?

Probably because you either have a Lean White Belt or a Green Belt; although, the latter is pretty unlikely.

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*shrug* it was something pushed on me by my manager who wanted me to take a career track into project management, though I have little interest in the subject. I honestly forgot most of it after the test, and its not come up in my job.

That's not a certification then ...

That's a certificate, which means mostly nothing outside of your current employer. If you had a Six Sigma Certification, you would know which, as someone would have shelled out money for about 12 weeks of classes for you.

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From what I'm reading (as I've never heard of this malarky before), Six Sigma means mostly nothing anyway.

It isn't meaningless in the sense that some large companies and government contracts can require that providers meet certain requirements ( a certain percentage of certified people, etc... )

In some cases, people end up being certified because they have to in order to comply with contract specifications.

Actually I just pulled out my old documentation (was buried in my desk). It was a yellow belt certification. I also did some digging online--not my course, because mine was done through our online learning system, as time allowed-- but

http://www.6sigma.us/six-sigma-yellow-belt.php
has Gold Belt certification at 2 days
Green belt certification at 2 weeks
Black belt certification at 8 weeks.

Now, you're clearly set on picking me out of this pile and pegging me for some ridiculous purpose known only to your warped mind. (I don't see you challenging anyone else when they mention Six-Sigma training) But if you're QUITE through trying to make yourself an even bigger *** than you already are, perhaps you could come around to some point-- or was your WHOLE point is asking me how long my training was just to try to find some vast conspiracy in my life?

Well yes, but I mean meaningless in a sense that it's a goofy, expensive "certification" that serves the same effective purpose as most "conference calls" or "executive meetings." Which is to say, corporate masturbation. When it starts throwing in cutesy acronyms and borrowing martial arts terminologies, it loses the chance for me to take it seriously.

I may be judging it too harshly. I dunno...as I said, this thread is the first time I've heard of it, and thus my readings may not be communicating the full and awesome power of the Six Sigma method. It's just that from what I'm reading, it looks like a bunch of bullshit...a fad diet for executives to foist upon their employees. *shrug*

My gut reaction would be to take the 5% pay cut so everyone would keep their jobs. After a bit of consideration, I'd need more info.

FarSky: It seems to me that it's a single tool that's been heralded as a whole tool chest. It may work for some, but it will be (and has been) detrimental to others. It was latched on to by "those who decide", and seen as the be all and end all - which it's not.

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TheRiov:

Actually, I asked because a whole bunch of people think they have Six Sigma certifications when all they have is internal certificates or partial training. You, incidentally, fall into the latter category: partial training. Green Belt and Black Belt classes are usually bundled by vocational schools, continuing education programs, and other institutions as a Quarter Length course. I actually asked you because you were a likely candidate for suffering the overuse of the term and its proliferation as a buzzword.

"Yellow Belt" training doesn't go on a resume, because it doesn't actually teaching you anything beyond whatever middle-management idiot with a list of "trends" and "paradigms" knows about Six Sigma. Of course, it's become so commercialized a thing at this point, 95% of actually certified Black Belts don't even know its for production facilities and manufacturing lines instead of service/white collar jobs.

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Meh, never heard of it before.

But I'm not in manufacturing, so... **** it.

Sounds like I need to develop my own business management strategy and give it a marginally-related mathematical term for a name to impress **** business majors who don't know any better. I wonder how quickly I could market Root-Mean-Square? Perhaps Two Pi would sell better, since it's got a Greek letter in it...

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This, Six-Sigma always seemed a worthless certification outside of manufacturing to me.

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