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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:04 pm 
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Maybe our medical professionals here can answer this better, but it was my understanding that unless the brain or spine are hit the body will still mostly function, even with a direct hit to the heart, the fatally wounded person could continue to pull the trigger for 10-15 seconds until lack of blood to the brain caused the person to lose consciousness.


Yes, it's physically possible for certain people to do that, but whether they actually will is another story. In rare cases sheer adrenaline has kept mortally wounded people fighting for quite some time, but those cases are quite rare - people are not deer.

In any case, if someone is still pulling the trigger after being mortally hit, the person confronting them is going to keep shooting them until they stop, as they are obviously still a threat. More importantly, if they're dying because they've been shot in the heart, that trigger is going to get very hard to pull very fast. Even if adrenaline keeps them shooting, they aren't going to reload, and that 10-15 seconds will be mostly moot. They won't be able to reload and will run out of ammunition well before 10 seconds is up, or they'll get shot a bunch more times and be unconcious or die sooner.

That brings us to another point. Many people won't keep shooting even when they might be physically capable of doing so. How the person mentally reacts to being shot is a very unpredictable thing. Not only that, but even if a shot is not instantly fatal, lots of hits can cause unconciousness, and even just the mental shock of being shot can do it.

Regardless, the chance of a mortally wounded people spraying bullets all over the place is below miniscule.

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TheRiov: Dead people don't need medical treatment, so I don't think any of us medical professionals here can help you there. DE's one of the ones with the training on where to put a fatal bullet. Unless somebody here is a medical examiner, the people with combat firearms training are the experts.


Anyone here who has been trained to shoot a gun knows where to put a fatal bullet - center mass. You ALWAYS shoot center mass.

The goal isn't a fatal shot per se, but to end the threat. That's very likely to be fatal, but that's not the concern of the defender. When the attacker is done, you're done. They may be dead, unconcious, out of ammo, or just give up - it's immaterial as long as the threat is ended.

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While I can't say I disagree with you in general, DE, if my first 2-3 shots center mass don't bring them down, I'd hope my training kicks in and I aim a bit higher.

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A shot with any defensive caliber handgun round that hits the heart will drop anyone very quickly from the blood pressure drop 1-2 seconds at most. Central nervous system disruption (spine, medulla) will drop someone instantly.

Anything else you're counting on pain, change of focus, shock, or lack of will to drop someone. Take out the skeletal support (pelvis for example) is very painful and will drop someone but they can continue to fire.

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While I can't say I disagree with you in general, DE, if my first 2-3 shots center mass don't bring them down, I'd hope my training kicks in and I aim a bit higher.


If my first 2-3 shots center mass don't bring them down, I'll fire another 2-3 shots center mass. If 4-6 shots center mass don't bring them down, well, then - "work shed".


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If 6 shots center mass doesn't bring him down, he's apparently a boss, so you should look for the glowing body part and aim at that.

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Mookhow wrote:
If 6 shots center mass doesn't bring him down, he's apparently a boss, so you should look for the glowing body part and aim at that.


:spit:

if I was drinking something, that is. So in actuality it was more of a...

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If 6 shots center mass doesn't bring him down, he's apparently a boss, so you should look for the glowing body part and aim at that.

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Vindicarre wrote:
While I can't say I disagree with you in general, DE, if my first 2-3 shots center mass don't bring them down, I'd hope my training kicks in and I aim a bit higher.


Your first 2 or 3 shots center mass will probably bring most people down, but your first 2 or 3 shots will most likely not be center mass. Most people lose about 50% of their accuracy in real combat so you're looking at 4-6 shots, which will include sme center mass, some not so much and possibly a clean miss or two depending on your skill. Not only that but you're going to shoot until you don't see a threat, but because it takes time for your brain to recognize that and start sending "cease fire" commands, you're going to have some excess "shoot" commands qued up that are probably going to get executed.

This isn't always true, but it's a conservative assumption that you're probably going to fire 7-9 times, maybe more depending on your individual reaction speed. It's just human physiology; there's no reliable way around it.

You may be aiming a bit higher after that 3rd hit but by that time it may already be unnecessary.. but that won't mean you don't shoot him anyhow.

Also keep in mind that while a Naked Gun 2 scenario isn't likely, a person could get hit 2-3 times "center mass" without being hit anywhere vital. "Center mass" is actually a fairly large area.

In response to Arathain, if you've actually hit him 6 times center mass and he's not going down, something is up. He's jacked up on PCP or something, or wearing body armor. Adjust accordingly.

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In response to Arathain, if you've actually hit him 6 times center mass and he's not going down, something is up. He's jacked up on PCP or something, or wearing body armor. Adjust accordingly.


Or he is the Undead, and you need to head to the work shed.


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