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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:40 am 
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Cherish it...

It won't be long before they are all made of plastics and composites...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 23268.html

If you have a guitar (or antique jewelry box, or anything else) that may have been built using a protected species of wood (Brazilian Rosewood, certain Ebonies or Mahoganies), you risk losing it if you cross a border (customs). You need to make sure you have the instruments age and wood sources well documented, or it could be confiscated.

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It's not enough to know that the body of your old guitar is made of spruce and maple: What's the bridge made of? If it's ebony, do you have the paperwork to show when and where that wood was harvested and when and where it was made into a bridge? Is the nut holding the strings at the guitar's headstock bone, or could it be ivory? "Even if you have no knowledge—despite Herculean efforts to obtain it—that some piece of your guitar, no matter how small, was obtained illegally, you lose your guitar forever," Prof. Thomas has written. "Oh, and you'll be fined $250 for that false (or missing) information in your Lacey Act Import Declaration."


Note that this doesn't just apply to musical instruments. Furniture, jewelry boxes, etc.... anything built using rare hardwoods, bone, shell, etc.. (flora/fauna) is at risk. In fact, the protections from CITES and other agreements extend beyond wood to various types of bone and shell as well.

Not sure why the Feds are obsessing over Gibson. The guitar industry has actually been working pretty hard to work with the environmental organizations to find alternatives and follow proper guidelines for using protected woods. Taylor for example, only harvest "Wind Fall" spruce for its guitar tops. There are many other industries, particularly overseas, that are accepting no responsibility for the demise of these woods. There are luxury hotels in Europe that are basically paneled and lined with these types of woods.

Brazilian Rosewood (Dalbergia Nigra) trees are basically extinct. Any wood exchanging hands now is either knotty stump wood that really isn't suitable for guitar making, or is reclaimed wood that is be re-used. Because of its density and beauty, it was very popular world wide for building everything from luxury homes to furniture. Now, because of over harvesting and loss of its native environment, it's basically become unobtanium.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:53 am 
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The nice rosewood fretboard on my otherwise cheap strat-copy seems just a little bit nicer now.


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Hehe.. Just don't try to take to Vancouver BC for a weekend trip. :p~~


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Situations like that with brazillian rosewood are poster children for why conservation efforts are important. It's painfully obvious that "the market" can't manage itself until it's far far too late.


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Aizle wrote:
Situations like that with brazillian rosewood are poster children for why conservation efforts are important. It's painfully obvious that "the market" can't manage itself until it's far far too late.


Sadly I have to agree with this. It would be nice if markets could regulate themselves, but they've pretty much proven time and time again and they will suck it dry until every last drop of money has been rung from something.


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Also, I say sadly because most of the conservationists seem to be at the extreme end of the spectrum where they would have us living in caves, so long as we don't harm the cave in any way.


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For the record, I have zero problems with conservation of wood (or any other raw materiels) that is endangered.

I do have a problem with trying to enforce import/export laws that result in having guitars (or anything else) that were built 20 (or a hundred) years ago confiscated because the owner can't provide documentation to show that the 2" piece of ebony used to make the bridge was harvested legally.


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The end result of the Lacey Act is that musical instruments (etc...) will cease to be manfuactured in the U.S. Everything will have to be imported.

And while the industry isn't huge, guitar makers large and small will end up shuddering their businesses....


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So, it turns out, at least according to Gibson, that this raid was not about the Lacey Act or CITES.

Apparently it was driven by the Department of Justice, who were acting on claims that Gibson imported wood from India that was not 'finished' by Indian workers, which is a violation of Indian law.

http://www.gibson.com/absolutenm/templa ... 0&zoneid=6

Gibson.com wrote:
Gov’t says wood is illegal if U.S. workers produce it
Thursday, August 25, 2011
The Justice department bullies Gibson without filing charges

The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India.

On August 24, 2011, around 8:45 a.m. CDT, agents for the federal government executed four search warrants on Gibson’s facilities in Nashville and Memphis and seized several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. Gibson had to cease its manufacturing operations and send workers home for the day, while armed agents executed the search warrants. Gibson has fully cooperated with the execution of the search warrants.

Raid shut down Gibson factories and cost company money
This is the second time that federal agents have raided Gibson facilities and disrupted production – this time causing lost productivity and sales.

Wood seized was Forest Stewardship Council Controlled
The wood the Government seized on August 24 is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier and is FSC Controlled, meaning that the wood complies with the standards of the Forest Stewardship Council, which is an industry-recognized and independent, not-for-profit organization established to promote responsible management of the world’s forests. FSC Controlled Wood standards require, among other things, that the wood not be illegally harvested and not be harvested in violation of traditional and civil rights. See http://www.fsc.org for more information. Gibson has a long history of supporting sustainable and responsible sources of wood and has worked diligently with entities such as the Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace to secure FSC certified supplies. The wood seized on August 24 satisfied FSC standards.

Nearly two years later, no charges have been filed
In 2009, more than a dozen agents with automatic weapons invaded the Gibson factory in Nashville. The Government seized guitars and a substantial amount of ebony fingerboard blanks from Madagascar. To date, 1 year and 9 months later, criminal charges have NOT been filed, yet the Government still holds Gibson’s property. Gibson has obtained sworn statements and documents from the Madagascar government and these materials, which have been filed in federal court, show that the wood seized in 2009 was legally exported under Madagascar law and that no law has been violated. Gibson is attempting to have its property returned in a civil proceeding that is pending in federal court.

The Justice Department has asked the judge to stop the court case indefinitely.

Information sought in raid was already made available
Since 2009, Gibson has fully cooperated with the Government’s investigation of wood and has provided substantial documentation regarding Gibson’s wood-buying activities over the years. Yet, the Federal Government raided Gibson’s facilities on August 24, 2011, without warning or communication of any kind. Had the Government simply communicated with Gibson, Gibson would have cooperated without having to stop its production and send workers home.

Not about illegal logging, not about conservation, not about the environment
The U.S. Lacey Act does not directly address conservation issues but is about obeying all laws of the countries from which wood products are procured. This law reads that you are guilty if you did not observe a law even though you had no knowledge of that law in a foreign country. The U.S. Lacey Act is only applicable when a foreign law has been violated.

Gibson is innocent and will fight to protect its rights
Gibson has complied with foreign laws and believes it is innocent of ANY wrong doing. We will fight aggressively to prove our innocence.

For more information, please contact:
Henry E. Juszkiewicz
c/o Gibson Guitar Corp.
309 Plus Park Blvd.
Nashville, TN 37217
(615) 871-4500 Extension 2405
http://www.gibson.com


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:46 am 
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Plastic guitar.... <shudder>


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Well, it wouldn't be new. Ovation started making their bowl back composite guitars (albeit with a wood top - usually domestic spruce) back in the early 70's and for many years they were very popular, especially in live performances...

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They have lost a lot of their popularity since the 70's hay day and are now considered 'niche'...

There have been a couple of all composite guitar companies come along in the last few years. Rainsong (local to me) and Composite Acoustics (they sold their business, so not sure of their current status).

Rainsong Composite - Spoilered for size...
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Composite Acoustics - Cargo
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All of them are interesting guitars, and sound.. 'good'.. if you like that sort of thing (usually very loud, and bright sounding). All of them lack the warmth and sublety of an all wood guitar. One thing they have going for them is their stability. They are not susceptible to heat and cold, dry and humid, etc... and it's pretty likely you won't be doing a neck reset on one .... ever... which is not something you can about any all wood guitar (except maybe Taylors, whose neck is designed to be re-adjusted after years of 'settling'.

Also, many big manufacturers have started making guitars using sustainable (usually domestic) woods.

Unfortunately, many mainstream artists, despite (in many cases) their dedication to environmental causes, refuse to adopt them.

Chris Martin, the current owner of Martin Guitars for example, started their 16 series (sustainable woods) and X-Series (composite hybrids) several years ago. He tried and tried to get artists to adopt these styles as 'signature series' guitars, to try to foster their popularity. He hasn't had much success finding a taker, and both lines are poor sellers...

Must like any other industries (auto industry comes to mind), it's a consumer driven market, and consumers with money to spend aren't showing much willingness to compromise on their guitar purchases...


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I am confident that if this is investigated you will find out that it was lack of private property rights that caused rosewood's extinction not the market that did. A steady demands breeds conservation efforts in order to keep supply constant over time. Short time horizons are the province of those not secure in their private property rights or those who trespass on the private property rights of others.

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An update:

Some legislators recognized that the Lacey Act is severly flawed, and have started an attempt, albeit insufficient, to resolve some of the issues via an ammendment.

In the meantime, someone at the NY Times wrote an article explaining the lunacy of it.

NOTE: Just to be clear about her references to the Gibson raid. Gibson broke no U.S. or Indian Laws, and have never been charged with a crime, yet have had over a million dollars worth of legitimately acquired wood confiscated by the U.S. government on two different occasions. In fact, the wood in question from the second 'raid' was purchased and imported by Lutheir's Mercantile (the same place I buy my wood, along with many many other professional and amatuer instrument builders, not just in the U.S. but overseas as well). LMII had the wood drop shipped from India directly to a storage unit near the Gibson facility. USFWS monitored the shipment, and as soon as Gibson took possession of it, they raided their facility, shut it down, and confiscated the wood. And don't think this was some kind of accident. It was a political attack. A lot of guitar companies, companies as big or bigger than Gibson (Taylor, Martin, Fender, etc...) import the exact same wood from the exact same place using the exact same sources, and never get a second look. The difference is, Henry Juszkiewicz, the CEO of Gibson, is a staunch Rebublican, who has publicly supported various Republican candidates.

And who are the victims?....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/opini ... .html?_r=3

Katherine Marie Dudley, Professor of Anthropology at Yale University wrote:
Lutheirs, the latest endangered species

WHEN federal authorities raided the headquarters of the Gibson Guitar Corporation in late August, seizing wood they said was illegally exported from India, conservative critics denounced the episode as an example of regulatory overreach. Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker and now Republican presidential hopeful, accused the Obama administration of having a “vendetta” against small businesses; the current speaker, John A. Boehner, invited Gibson’s owner, Henry E. Juszkiewicz, to sit in the speaker’s box during President Obama’s jobs speech last month.

The law that investigators enforced in the August raid is indeed flawed — but not for the reasons critics cite. Large companies like Gibson, if they source their wood carefully, should be O.K. The people who are truly in jeopardy are some of the finest artisanal guitar makers in the United States and Canada. Unlike Gibson, these independent artisans — also called luthiers — have been charged with no crime, but their livelihoods and life savings are at risk nonetheless.

The root of guitar makers’ trouble is the Lacey Act, a law originally enacted in 1900 to prohibit the interstate sale of poached game. In 2008, the act was amended to combat illegal logging around the world. Protections for endangered plants were extended to cover trees logged in violation of foreign law; and importers of wood were required to declare the species and country of harvest for all commercially traded timber, sawed lumber and finished wood products.

Acting on suspicions raised by inaccurate Lacey declarations, armed agents raided Gibson’s factory in Nashville in November 2009 and again in August to determine whether Gibson had accepted ebony imports in violation of laws in Madagascar and India. Gibson has denied any wrongdoing.

The Lacey Act amendments were well intended — few people wish to encourage illegal logging overseas — but the act was aimed at bulk freight and industrial inventory, not the practices of luthiers, who hand-select small quantities of wood and season it for decades, often passing it from one generation to the next.

When importers make declarations under the Lacey Act, they are also claiming that they have complied with other laws, like the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. This international treaty, adopted in 1973, outlawed global trade in elephant ivory in 1975 and Brazilian rosewood in 1992. But well-established luthiers — particularly the 100 or so who have been handcrafting and restoring stringed instruments for over 40 years — have stockpiles of ivory and wood that were acquired before the bans were put in place.

While manufacturers have increasingly turned to sustainable alternatives to guitar makers’ traditional tonewoods, this option is largely unavailable to artisans who build a small number of instruments each year. Their inability to document the source and age of their materials exposes them to bankrupting fines and confiscations.

As a result, North American luthiers now sit on valuable supplies of Brazilian rosewood they are afraid to use, since guitars made with it cannot legally cross American borders — a liability for traveling musicians and international collectors. For self-employed artisans who often have no health insurance or 401(k) plans, these stashes of rare wood are the only retirement savings they have.

House members have now put forward a proposal — the Retailers and Entertainers Lacey Implementation and Enforcement Fairness Act, or the Relief Act — to limit the declaration requirements under the Lacey amendment to solid wood and commercially imported goods, and to lift declaration requirements for wood and wood products imported or manufactured before May 2008.

While the bill may help guitar stores and musicians, it fails to address the problem facing artisanal builders.

Easing the declaration requirements doesn’t affect the underlying legality of the wildlife materials in a guitar. The international sale of Brazilian rosewood guitars or vintage instruments with ivory nuts and saddles would still be illegal (under the convention) and guitars with decorative inlay could still be detained by customs agents looking for certain species of abalone shell (restricted under the Endangered Species Act).

What artisanal makers urgently need is a way to certify the legality of instruments built with materials they acquired before the trade convention and endangered species laws. Any workable solution needs to acknowledge that an artisanal instrument is not a mass-produced object: it has a unique history and character. For example, it should be enough for luthiers to provide a sworn affidavit to show that their Brazilian rosewood was obtained before 1992. Judgments must be made on a case-by-case basis. That is why many luthiers favor the issuing of passport-like documents, with photographs and serial numbers, for vintage and handmade guitars.

The Gibson case has attracted attention far beyond the noisy agitations of the right — not because the actions of the federal government were wrong, but because the future of North American guitar making will be in peril if problematic aspects of environmental law are not resolved.

Those of us who care about the craft that made the American guitar one of the most desirable instruments in the world are watching the Obama administration closely. And we have reason to be hopeful. After all, this is the president who, with his wife, shortly after taking office, gave Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, France’s first lady, a Gibson Hummingbird acoustic guitar as a gift of friendship.


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