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Trivia time -

What US president didn't swear the inauguration oath on a bible?

What's the official US motto?

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The faith of an individual president is NOT at issue. We are not a monarchy. A number of elected officials in congress have sworn their oaths on other books or no book.


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What US president didn't swear the inauguration oath on a bible?
Trick question; no one keeps track and more than one President did not swear their oath on the Bible or use the phrase "... so help me, God." at the end.
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What's the official US motto?
"In God We Trust" ... adopted in 1956.

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Khross][quote="Taskiss wrote:
What US president didn't swear the inauguration oath on a bible?

Trick question; no one keeps track and more than one President did not swear their oath on the Bible or use the phrase "... so help me, God." at the end.[/quote]

I've found a reference to this. Take it for what it's worth, your mileage may vary, etc., etc., etc. Either it's wrong and the gov is perpetuation the myth that the US is a Christian nation (thus making my point for me) or the US is a Christian nation, thus making my point for me.
http://fpc.state.gov/114510.htm
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All Presidents save one have sworn the oath on the Bible. One President, Franklin Pierce, affirmed the oath. History doesn’t tell us why he affirmed rather than swore. He was a very religious man. He didn’t have any scruples against swearing an oath. But his inauguration also was one of the most tragic inaugurations in American history. When Pierce’s family came by train to Washington for his inauguration, the train wrecked and his son was killed in the wreck. His wife was injured. She was still deeply in mourning when he was inaugurated. She did not attend the ceremony or any of the functions surrounding the inauguration and in fact, died of a broken heart not long thereafter. So Pierce may have simply affirmed it because of the deep mourning that he was experiencing.



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What's the official US motto?

"In God We Trust" ... adopted in 1956.


Interestingly enough, that's the year of my birth.

It's all historically irrelevant anyway, the US and other nations sees the US *TODAY* as being a Christian nation.

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Interestingly enough, that's the year of my birth.


Ha ha, you're old.


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Interestingly enough, that's the year of my birth.


Ha ha, you're old.

Not in turtle years!

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Interestingly enough, that's the year of my birth.


Ha ha, you're old.

Not in turtle years!


Hundred and fifty, dude!

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Hundred and fifty, dude!

I don't look a day over 127.

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You should probably read your own source, Taskiss ...

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The oath says that I solemnly swear or affirm. All Presidents save one have sworn the oath on the Bible. One President, Franklin Pierce, affirmed the oath. History doesn’t tell us why he affirmed rather than swore. He was a very religious man. He didn’t have any scruples against swearing an oath. But his inauguration also was one of the most tragic inaugurations in American history. When Pierce’s family came by train to Washington for his inauguration, the train wrecked and his son was killed in the wreck. His wife was injured. She was still deeply in mourning when he was inaugurated. She did not attend the ceremony or any of the functions surrounding the inauguration and in fact, died of a broken heart not long thereafter. So Pierce may have simply affirmed it because of the deep mourning that he was experiencing.

One President we know did not use a Bible at the swearing in ceremony at the Capitol. That was John Quincy Adams in 1825. Adams in his diary notes that he swore the oath on a book of laws. Again, why did he do that? John Quincy Adams was a deeply religious person, but my interpretation is that he did so because as he points out in his diary, he was swearing the oath to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States, so he took the oath on a book of laws.
Pierce didn't swear the Oath, Adams didn't use a Bible, and there aren't really any records of what a lot of President's used or failed to use.

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It's all historically irrelevant anyway, the US and other nations I sees the US *TODAY* as being a Christian nation.


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It's all historically irrelevant anyway, the US and other nations I sees the US *TODAY* as being a Christian nation.
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I sometimes see the USA as being a "Christian Nation."

By that I mean, it sometimes appears to be a narrow-minded country with theocratic tendencies and a disdain for knowledge and science.

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Khross wrote:
You should probably read your own source, Taskiss ...

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The oath says that I solemnly swear or affirm. All Presidents save one have sworn the oath on the Bible. One President, Franklin Pierce, affirmed the oath. History doesn’t tell us why he affirmed rather than swore. He was a very religious man. He didn’t have any scruples against swearing an oath. But his inauguration also was one of the most tragic inaugurations in American history. When Pierce’s family came by train to Washington for his inauguration, the train wrecked and his son was killed in the wreck. His wife was injured. She was still deeply in mourning when he was inaugurated. She did not attend the ceremony or any of the functions surrounding the inauguration and in fact, died of a broken heart not long thereafter. So Pierce may have simply affirmed it because of the deep mourning that he was experiencing.

One President we know did not use a Bible at the swearing in ceremony at the Capitol. That was John Quincy Adams in 1825. Adams in his diary notes that he swore the oath on a book of laws. Again, why did he do that? John Quincy Adams was a deeply religious person, but my interpretation is that he did so because as he points out in his diary, he was swearing the oath to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States, so he took the oath on a book of laws.
Pierce didn't swear the Oath, Adams didn't use a Bible, and there aren't really any records of what a lot of President's used or failed to use.
Seems contradictory, doesn't it? Still, it says what it says.

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It's all historically irrelevant anyway, the US and other nations I sees the US *TODAY* as being a Christian nation.


FIFY

That all you got?

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Taskiss:

It does indeed say what is says, which is not what you're claiming. Pierce affirmed the Oath of Office, but did not swear it. Also, the text/book/whatever used for Pierce's Oath of Office isn't mentioned. Quincy Adams, however, did not use a Bible. At the very least, your source misspoke or is simply mistaken on the matter.

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I already expressed my position on the value of the citation, Khross.
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Take it for what it's worth, your mileage may vary, etc., etc., etc. Either it's wrong and the gov is perpetuation the myth that the US is a Christian nation (thus making my point for me) or the US is a Christian nation, thus making my point for me.

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The faith of an individual president is NOT at issue. We are not a monarchy. A number of elected officials in congress have sworn their oaths on other books or no book.


I disagree. The faith of our elected office also should not only be noted, and should be taken into account when considering them for office.

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Taskiss:

I'm not interested in your false dilemma, because your source doesn't say what you're claiming it says; indeed, since it doesn't say what you've said it says,it includes two Presidents who didn't use a Bible ...

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The faith of an individual president is NOT at issue. We are not a monarchy. A number of elected officials in congress have sworn their oaths on other books or no book.


I disagree. The faith of our elected office also should not only be noted, and should be taken into account when considering them for office.

I included the trivia about the presidents taking the oath on the bible not to show that the individual has any particular faith, and I wasn't making a statement pro or con about anything at all - but rather to show that the ceremonial swearing in of the leader of the nation has typically been filled with tradition directly traceable to the religious influences of Christianity.

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I'm not interested in your false dilemma, because your source doesn't say what you're claiming it says; indeed, since it doesn't say what you've said it says, includes two Presidents who didn't use a Bible ...

Pick your nits with the author of the site, Khross. It says what it says, and frankly I don't care what it says, it's an example of the many articles that cause me to believe that the US chooses to embrace Christianity and have other nations see it doing so.

You want to weaken that belief? Come up with more than your typical obsessive compulsion with minutiae and show examples that disprove the examples I gave.

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The faith of an individual president is NOT at issue.


American History begs to differ: In specific the amount of freaking out that was done by America when a *Catholic* became the PotUS. I have heard all sorts of stories how people were afraid that having a Catholic in office meant that the actions of the country would be dictated by the pope...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_o ... s_Congress

US Constitution, Article IV section III wrote:
3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


US Constitution Article II, Section 8 wrote:
8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”


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TheRiov wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_oath_controversy_of_the_110th_United_States_Congress

US Constitution, Article IV section III wrote:
3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


US Constitution Article II, Section 8 wrote:
8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

What speaks louder, words or actions? When you have a majority who believe the way you do, then you can accurately characterize the US as anti-Christian, 'till then, keep trying.

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Well if the majority of attendees of a public school attend a synagogue, and read from the Torah, keep kosher, does that does that make their school a Jewish school?

Just because the majority acts one way does NOT mean that the entity itself is a defined by them.

The entity itself has a structure--in this case a constitution, that defines it, not because a large number of elected officials happen to fall into on particular demographic.


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The entity itself has a structure--in this case a constitution, that defines it, not because a large number of elected officials happen to fall into on particular demographic.
So the United States is a Constitutional Republic composed of many sovereign and separate States with republican forms of government?

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