The Glade 4.0

http://biggovernment.com/reasontv/2011/ ... ore-323700



As a respiratory therapist, and as a person I hate smoking, but I support your right to poison yourself (and job safety!), I would love to see how the bars would enforce this. Granted most politicians do their problem drinking at home.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Isn't the point of smoking bans in public places to prevent the smokers from poisoning everyone else?

Here in MN, the smoking ban has overall greatly increased restaurant business. Our local bar/restaurant went from only having a few die hard regulars there to being packed on most nights, especially at dinner time.

All these smoking bans are a form of hysteria in my opinion. If you don't like the smoke, don't go near it. Also restaurant owners know which policies will get them more business.

Aizle: If MN were to rescind this law, do you think establishments would then voluntarily set such limitations?

Xequecal: No. I've never once been poisoned by a person smoking in a Michigan establishment. That, therefore, couldn't possibly be the intent.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Here as well.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Yes, yes you have. You don't have to actually die for it to be considered poison. What do you think secondhand smoke is?

There is nothing wrong with a smoking ban. If a restaurant was putting lead into their food, would that be OK as long as they were upfront about it and the people were stupid enough to still eat the food? Of course not.

I feel the decision should be up to the individual business owner.

Or they need to stop being little punks and just outright ban tobacco instead of this incrimental BS.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

The 2nd hand smoke "facts and figures" aren't that honest either. A bar is the most silly place to ban smoking anyway.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

The OP is interesting. I would rather that establishments be free to make their own rules. If there is money to he made in being smoke free or smoking then let's go there.

Public places such as post offices schools and government buildings are a different issue as those who wish to avoid second hand smoke can't easily avoid these places.

I am however going to reiterate my point that I think if smokers did a better job of being respectful and cleaning up after themselves they wouldn't be in this mess.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

The pre-school should probably be smoke free.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Ban tobacco entirely. Make possession at least a misdemeanor punishable by a $100 fine.

Okay, over the top, but I really dislike the smell and the smoke.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I dislike the look and smell of overweight people. Can we ban them from places too? Its a choice just like smoking.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Actually, you're 100% completely wrong. I've never been to Michigan nor any establishment within the state so it's a little bit impossible for me to have been poisoned by a smoker there.

Now, Mr. Knows-It-All-Douche-Canoe, I'll let you figure out exactly why this point is critical.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Mike if they banned tobacco who would pay for SCHIP?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Banning tobacco, prohibition 2.0 )3.0) or major escalation of the drug war?

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Second hand smoke has never been conclusively shown to raise risk of anything to a level that is significant.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

The CDC and the Surgeon General say otherwise...Just clicking on the first article, research shows second-hand smoke raises the risk of cardiovascular disease by 25-30%. That seems pretty significant.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/secondhand_smoke/index.htm

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I think segregation would be the answer there. But understand that the really good cooks would be working for the overweight people, who appreciate and are willing to pay for the food.

Lets also segregate all the nerds, geeks, and fankids out, give them separate places where they can gatherin huge herds and just annoy each other. Like oh, conventions.

Micheal.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I like fat people. They're cuddly.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

As a non-smoker, I have to say the single most offensive thing about second-hand smoke is the holier-than-thou non-smokers who complain about it.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Read the CDC's actual reports. The CDC is saying things that don't match up to their findings (again).

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

This. I don't smoke, I don't like smoking, but I'm not going to be a whiny little ***** about someone that is smoking near me.

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Holy shitsnacks!

That's all fine and good. My problem is that a company decides that they don't want smoking on their property, and they give employees seven ways of **** because they're just enforcing the policies that won't let them light up on the property.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Sort of this, unless I own the property the proposed smoking is in. No smoking in or on my property. *****.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20