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Did you mean 226? I don't think MJ was ever that big.
It's all muscle. Muscle is more dense than fat, Nitefox.



That's not what I asked. I am pretty certain MJ has never been over 300 or even that close to it.

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Hmmms, ... I could have sworn I typed 226. And unless they've revised BMI since last time we had this discussion, 226 was still morbidly obese at 6'6".

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Hmmms, ... I could have sworn I typed 226. And unless they've revised BMI since last time we had this discussion, 226 was still morbidly obese at 6'6".


If you use a BMI calculator that accounts for the fact that he was male, you get a BMI of 23, which is normal. If you don't account for the fact that he is male, you get a BMI of 26 which is one point over the normal range and into the overweight range.

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Then that's been changed since the last time (3 or 4 iterations ago) we discussed this seriously, because Michael Jordan was considered morbidly obese according to the BMI scale way back then.

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The last time I paid any sort of attention, the BMI considered my skinny *** the ideal height/weight ratio. That's **** up.

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There are a lot of different calculators to use. I can put my stats into one and be middle of the normal range, put into another and I'm ready to get on disability and have a foot cut off.

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Last article I read on this, BMI really only works for people with one body type- small framed, and tall.

I'm a bit overweight, but my BMI says I'm very obese... Which just isn't true.

BMI has for years been recognized as a horrible, horrible way to determine how overweight someone is- yet somehow, people keep using it.

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That's because it reduces a set complicated equations with multiple variables to a single number. People like that. We're dumb animals and we can't understand things otherwise.

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To measure how overweight and out of shape you are, you need to get a physical from a qualified person. You can't just use a calculator on the Internet.


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Well, most people who use the internet read their horoscopes like it's going to tell them how their day will turn out.

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Most of those qualified people use BMI too Lex.

Here is my overweight test... Reliable too:
1- Do I have boobs?
2- If yes to above: am I supposed to have boobs?
3- If yes to 1 and no to 2... Put the fork down tubby.

Addendum to test:
If 1 and 2 are yes, then split the girls apart and look down, can you see part of your toes? If no then see 3.

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Most of those qualified people use BMI too Lex.

Here is my overweight test... Reliable too:
1- Do I have boobs?
2- If yes to above: am I supposed to have boobs?
If yes to 1 and no to 2... Put the fork down tubby.


No, they also use measuring tape, and use clamps onto your skin at various parts to see how much is fat, and measure that.


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According to the index these studies generally use to gauge obesity, Michael Jordan (at the peak of his career 6'6" and 326 lbs) was morbidly obese.


We've had this conversation before. You can't illustrate the inaccuracy of a standard index by applying a non-standard example that's outside it's range. Michael Jordan likely does not fit any standard index.

That's like saying the gravitational acceleration standard of 32.2 ft/sec for the earth is bunk because its different on the top of Everest. You've gotta stay within the range allowable for your standard.

http://www.gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5525&p=125820&hilit=BMI#p125827


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The "allowable range" for BMI is a **** joke, which I think is the thing you don't quite understand, Arathain ...

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The largest weight category for the Mr. Universe contest (super heavy weight) is for >220 lbs. In his peak, Ahnold was about 250lbs at 6'2". There is no way on earth that Michael Jordan was 326 at 6'6".

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The largest weight category for the Mr. Universe contest (super heavy weight) is for >220 lbs. In his peak, Ahnold was about 250lbs at 6'2". There is no way on earth that Michael Jordan was 326 at 6'6".
You missed the part where I said I could have sworn I typed 226 instead of 326.

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The "allowable range" for BMI is a **** joke, which I think is the thing you don't quite understand, Arathain ...


Ok, I looked and didn't find an "allowable range" for BMI. Care to enlighten us? What's the joke? What is it that I don't understand?


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Khross wrote:
You missed the part where I said I could have sworn I typed 226 instead of 326.

Indeed I did. I seriously don't know what's going on. This is twice now recently that I've missed an entire page of content somehow. I think I'm going to switch back to my previous phpbb theme and see if there's some minor difference I'm missing, because I never had this problem before.

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The "allowable range" for BMI is a **** joke, which I think is the thing you don't quite understand, Arathain ...
Ok, I looked and didn't find an "allowable range" for BMI. Care to enlighten us? What's the joke? What is it that I don't understand?
Apparently you don't understand scare quotes either.

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I'm ready to get on disability and have a foot cut off.


Hey, are you gonna finish that?

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I'm ready to get on disability and have a foot cut off.


Getting back to your Roots, as it were eh ;)

Yes, I am a terrible person.

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That would be funnier if his name turns out to be Toby.

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Or would it be better if it was Kunta Kinte?

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