The Glade 4.0

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No, they have something more... organic...

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

"Wait a minute, wait a minute. What have we here, gentlemen? The police have themselves an RV. Southeast corner."

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Go back to zero, take a pill, and get well ~ Lemmy Kilmister

That's hilarious. (Unless by take down a plane he's obtusely referring to storming a hijacked aircraft, but...)

I really hope that the NYPD is somehow tied in to NORAD and the Air Traffic Control Network, for starters. Otherwise, how are these **** going to know that an airccraft in flight has been hijacked in time to get in position to engage it.

Second, unless they have a Patriot system set up somewhere, which would have to be continuously operational (and actually would be preferable since it would be tied in to ATC, and its radar could be potentially useful in a number of emergency situations. it could also utilize PAC-3 missiles and provide some defense to NYC in case of missile attack or in the unlikely event of war, defend against bombers or cruise missiles) they're using Stingers in some form.

This is.. disturbing

The Stinger has an operational range of only 5 miles and a warhead of only 3 kilograms, or a bit under 7 pounds. This creates all kinds of problems,

For one thing, the police must receive warning of the approaching aircraft, get in position, activate, lock on, and fire the missile before it hits whatever it's trying to hit. That would be dandy, except that an aircraft moving at, say, 300 miles per hour, a nice leisurely pace for a large 9-11 style jet, will cross that range in one minute. You can extend that to 2 minutes if you can get 5 miles in front of the target wit your missile, but then you need to know in advance what the target is, and what route its taking... and get there in time through NYC traffic, which, even with police lights, sounds daunting.

Then there's another little problem. An airplane is not a car or a truck. Unless its a pretty small airplane, that little 6.6 pound warhead isn't likely to completely destroy it without a fair amount of luck. If it does completely destroy it, you now have pieces of airplane raining all over the place. That's unlikely, however. The point of a Stinger is to cripple an engine on a combat aircraft, which is likely to be catastrophic to a low-flying, small plane or helicopter on a battlefield. It's a lot less likely to stop an airliner, even a small one, that wants to crash in the next minute or so anyhow because SURPRISE! Airplanes can glide! Shooting out their engines is not like shooting out the engine or spiking or shooting the tires of a car or truck, and most runaway ground vehicles aren't trying to slam suicidally into anything, either.

The best you can really hope for as a likely result is to move the crash around. NYC/Manhatten/Long Island is pretty densely populated rregardless so I'm not convinced this is going to result in any improvement in the end result of a crash. At best, you might get him to miss collapsing another skyscraper.

I don't know what these chuckleheads think they're doing but.. they need to leave shooting down airplanes to the military.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Technically they didn't say what they have but I am assuming some sort of SAM system (person mounted or a permanent set-up somewhere) but it could just as easily be that they purchased an old jet-fighter?

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or a bunch of WW2 era AA guns?

You're kidding, right? Both of you?

The AA guns aren't likely do do any better than the Stinger, especially since the big-caliber guns that would really do a good job were high-altitude weapons, slow firing, and aren't likely to do well against a fast-moving target low enough to slam into the city. The small-caliber guns aren't likely to do much useful to an airliner bent on crashing, and have shorter effective ranges and far less effective guidance than a Stinger, and therefore will have a hard time obtaining hits. There's also the matter of carriage; unless they plan on sighting the damn things all around the city, how will it be in position in time to stop an airliner attack? Is the NYPD seriously going to pay people to man fixed AA guns to defend from airliner attack?

As for the fighter jet, if ATC or NORAD could guide the fighter to the correct airliner, that's actually feasible, especially if it could be undentified over less-populated areas... but then why exactly is the Air Force not doing this, especially now that 9/11 is passed and the scenario has at least occurred to air-defense planners?

There's also the problem of keeping one or two aging jet fighters in a good state of repair, and training and paying the pilots to sit around the airport ready to scramble in case of a 9-11 repeat. This sounds expensive, at best, and frankly I just don't see the FAA or the Air Force going for it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

DE, we are talking about NYC. All of the above options make about as much sense as swimming with a pocket full of bricks but they still went ahead and picked one of them (WWII AA guns, a fighter or some sort of SAM system). Unless they have some dude with a pocket laser pointer sitting on a skyscraper waiting to shine it at cockpits.

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NYC- where the only way a citizen can get a firearm permit is to be connected out the *** and pay through the nose- home of the city run anti aircraft system...

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I realize that, but the fact of the matter is that either obsolete AA guns or an obsolete jet fighter are wildly less practical than a Stinger. Even the sort of idiot who thinks this is a good idea can see that it's far less costly to buy a few shoulder-launchers for Stingers.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Maybe thats why Bloomberg was illegally sending his officers to Virgina gun shows- hoping to score some SAM equipment for cheap. Or according to california you can shoot down a jumbo jet with a 50BMG so maybe the NYPD has a couple ready to deploy on rooftops.

Seriously I'm pissed off- the idea that NYC has granted themselves this level of force projection because "the city couldn't rely on the federal government alone." yet private citizens are denied their right to defend themselves by that same agency even when the citizen realizes they can't rely on the NYPD alone... arrrrgh. Head asplode!

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I'm amused by the thought of Bloomberg's shock if his officers returned SAM-less from Vriginia.. There were none at the gun show? But... But... isn't every right-wing gun nut hell-bent on owning a Stinger?!?

As for shooting down an airliner with a .50 caliber, did someone seriously say that? Sure, you could.. if you could somehow sit at the end of the runway and shoot as it as it went nice and low and slow directly overhead, maybe, without anyone noticing you setting up this machine gun at the end of the runway.

I'm sure he thinks that because these machine guns are intended for limited local air defense when mounted on tanks and self-propelled howitzers, but again, that's against attack helicopters or low-flying attack jets, and it's supposed to be done by massing a bunch of them.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

DE, Feinstein held an AK clone with the clumsy drum mag on it in front of a group of people saying how this weapon could kill 90 people in this room.

With a 75 round drum mag...
With her finger resting on the gorram trigger...

I mean the idiots enacted all that gun control about pinned magazines in rifles etc after the famous shootout with the robbers in body armor - not noting that the robbers DROPPED weapons rather than reload.

In short- that that level of liberalism, they just want as many restrictions as possible, damn the concequences.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

yes. I was kidding.

Well, just more evidence that gun control for its own sake is the goal.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

They should just hire a person to stand on every building 20 floors or more with a stinger to effectively protect the city.

There - problem solved.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I heard they came up with a simpler approach.

And with the way NYC is run, "misplacing" up to 20% of them would be an acceptable practice.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Apparently the anti-aircraft system they have is a sniper in a chopper with a .50 cal.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09 ... t-exactly/

Jesus. That's a pipe-dream shot. Nothing but propaganda.

It was a funny read, though.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Funniest part: "the 50 caliber sniper rifle is securely stored for special occasions, such as the president visiting."

Thanks for clearing it up Aizle.

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I hope they have some damn fine snipers if they plan on that method.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's cool. They have 5 guys who do nothing but play Silent Scope arcade games to train in their helicopter-sniping.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I LOL'd (i should probably cry, but I can't muster the gumption).

20,000 heat seeking missiles missing in Libya!
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/27 ... warehouse/