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the fun about the separation clause is that it is for the federal level and not the state level.

So if Alabama has not passed something similar to that Virginia Act, it is not illegal to try and force god down the heathen throats at a state level.

Even if it is a dick move.

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Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Can't do the time, don't do the crime!

YMMV

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A "dick move" being "forced down the heathen throats..."

There is always wonderfully appropriate imagery in your posts. Though I wouldn't call this "force," by any means. It's more "Strongly encouraged." Listen to God for a year and you do no time...

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So A "dick move" being "strongly encouraged down the heathen throats..."

Maybe put roofies in the sacramental wine?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Although, now that I think about it, I'd prolly take the fine. I'd only take the church time if I could take my iPod or DS.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I find it rather distasteful that they are equating attendance of religious services with punishment in this fashion. It would be more appropriate to stick to community service, and allow certain church-run programs as options.

As for taking jail over attending church for a year.. let's say church regularly runs an hour and fifteen minutes x 52 weekends a year, that makes for 65 hours of church, or about 2 1/2 days worth of jail, so on a time basis it's have to be a damn short jail sentence to make that the smart option. Especially since you're a lot less likely to get your *** beat in church.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Its Southern Baptist. More like 3-4 hours on a Sunday for a year.

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Holy shitsnacks!

No, not really.

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Depends...an hour for 'Sunday school,' an hour+ for standard service, then come back later that afternoon for an hour of 'discipleship training,' then an hour of night church...

I'm very much against creative punishments by judges. I used to find the occasional one that made the news appropriate, but I think judges need to remember they have to work within the laws.

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FarSky is right...2.5 hours in the morning and then 2 hours at night.
I don't know whether they are requiring ALL of that though....most likely, just the morning worship service which is a little over an hour.

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What about that tent-prison thing awhile back? Or those judges who used public humiliation for shoplifters and made them stand outside the store they stole from wearing signs saying they were a thief?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Wow is that an apologist reading of the Chief's comments.

I think you are completely wrong in your interpretation of his comments. It's pretty clear that this program is for God-fearing Christians only.

Not at all. It is for anybody who, after a year, will be a God-fearing Christian.

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I am reading this differently than everyone else. I see it as saying if you are an atheist and you don't/can't do the church thing you have to pick another option like community service ("another alternative sentencing program"). Otherwise I think it would say if you are atheist you either go to jail or pay a fine.

Either way I hate government pushing religion.

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I would think that, Killuas, but none of the articles makes a mention of any other alternative sentencing program- just church, jail, or fines.

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If there were a secular option, (Counseling, group therapy, etc) I'd be ok with it.

It'd have to be something that goes on weekly for a year to be the same. I'd have no problem with them working at Goodwill and going through some kind of program with them for a year. You can help people who don't want to be helped though no matter where you send them. I think they had a good idea (push the cost of dealing with non-violent first timer offenders onto willing charitable institutions, but I think it sounds like their implementation is poor.)

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I would be curious how many people will actually take that option and complete the program... seriously... 52+ hours of sitting in church service for the year or pay a misdemeanor fine?

And I am sure they have a secular option... its called Community Service, also paid in hours. 52 hours of church or 52 hours of picking up trash... that's only 6 and half Saturdays on the side of the road at 8 hours a day.

Heh, true.

The tent prison thing was Sherrif Joe in Arizona I think. Judges who use the public humiliation aspect are grandstanding for reelection I'd wager. If you have a name I bet we could figure out the timing of the case vs the begining of that Judges run for reelection. Maybe I'm just being cynical. Or I'm getting younger. I find myself more pissed off at authority now then when I was lacing up my Docs and tossing on the Dead Kennedys T shirt.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Tent City In Maricopa county is alive and well, and as full as ever. I drive past it on a regular basis.
As far as justice and punishments are concerned. Justice is supposed to be blind,
As soon as you have options for one group but nothing for the others, then this would be a violation of there rights.

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