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 Post subject: Re: Is goverment broken?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:09 pm 
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Most of my questions were easily answered ...
Assuming one agrees enough with the prevailing thought in political economy; consequently the questions are bad because the easy relies on a school of thought that is empirically and demonstrably wrong.
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...and/or it could have been explained specifically why the questions were bad.
I just explained why they're bad questions ...

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There is a difference between attack an idea, argument, etc, and attacking the person.

I won't make apologies for attacking an argument. Nor would I take offense if you want to attack arguments I (or anyone else made). The difference occurs when you start attacking the individuals or groups as opposed to the policies or stances.


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TheRiov wrote:
when you start attacking the individuals or groups as opposed to the policies or stances.


You do and have done this TheRiov.

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I just explained why they're bad questions ...


With a generic blanket bullshit statement. I don't buy it.


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You guys all need to go get laid, reconvene, and find something else to talk about.

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You actually have the power to do something about that LK.


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Indeed.

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Well, since at least 2 of the 3 people involved in this conversation won't **** another man's wife, I'm not sure how much power she has to enact that plan.

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Well, since at least 2 of the 3 people involved in this conversation won't **** another man's wife, I'm not sure how much power she has to enact that plan.


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and we're back to personal attacks. Yay Khross. And I was specifically referring to NF, but hey, when you've got a shot and you're a sniper, why miss the chance!


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You apparently have no idea what a personal attack happens to be, do you, TheRiov?

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Khross, I've never argued against the technical merits of your position, I've argued that you're out of touch. It's an idea that would never get traction.

Fewer people in the workforce is a great idea. The country going back to one wage earner per family would be a tremendous national advantage. Thing is, it can't work. That ship sailed and she's gone over the horizon. Given the rate of divorce, given the number of women who are the sole support of their family, it's foolish for anyone to rely on another for their security. Just about every adult needs a job, and the ones that don't are few and far between...a minor fraction of the US population.

It's absolutely an appeal to popularity to suggest that "it's all about jobs". It's the way of it though.

Arguing that there are too many jobs is like arguing that we should just ... delete everyone that isn't employed. Yeah, that would work to reduce unemployment, but it would never be accepted and it's foolish to offer that as a solution.

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Arguing that there are too many jobs is like arguing that we should just ... delete everyone that isn't employed. Yeah, that would work to reduce unemployment, but it would never be accepted and it's foolish to offer that as a solution.

And now, it's you who are out of touch. Deleting people who are unemployed has been the strategy of Administrations dating back to Clinton. It's how they keep their numbers looking good.

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Arguing that there are too many jobs is like arguing that we should just ... delete everyone that isn't employed. Yeah, that would work to reduce unemployment, but it would never be accepted and it's foolish to offer that as a solution.

And now, it's you who are out of touch. Deleting people who are unemployed has been the strategy of Administrations dating back to Clinton. It's how they keep their numbers looking good.

I wasn't talking about not including them in the numbers, I'm talking physically deleting them.

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Taskiss:

If I take your post at face value, I will simply note that the Law of Supply and Demand happens to be taking care of that on a global scale. It's going to happen whether the policy wonks want it or not; the question really is right now ...

How many people are they going to directly or indirectly kill before the correction finishes?

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Like I said before, this is what the government not doing anything looks like:



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You guys all need to go get laid,

I think I'm going to do just that, and I'm not involved in this topic yet.

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Taskiss wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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Arguing that there are too many jobs is like arguing that we should just ... delete everyone that isn't employed. Yeah, that would work to reduce unemployment, but it would never be accepted and it's foolish to offer that as a solution.

And now, it's you who are out of touch. Deleting people who are unemployed has been the strategy of Administrations dating back to Clinton. It's how they keep their numbers looking good.

I wasn't talking about not including them in the numbers, I'm talking physically deleting them.


There are at least a couple posters here who espouse that exact solution by advocating utilitarian ethics.

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Government is broken, but not beyond repair. The bureaucracy snowball will continue to roll down hill, but periodically it will get hit with cuts. I haven't lost hope.

Even a terminally ill cancer patient has some hope that the cancer will mysteriously go away. It does happen every once in a long while...

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Society is broken. Anything wrong with a republican/democratic (notice the lowercase) form of government is just a symptom of a difference disease.

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If society is broken, popular academic theory says we're all **** :P

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Let me rephrase that. People (by majority) are broken: more corrupt, less moral, more apt to look for quick fixes and easy answers then the generation(s) that came before.

We shouldn't be surprised that a representative form of government shows these same ills.

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Also if we had a Conservative executive instead of a Liberal one, we would be having less regulation despite legislative gridlock. So regulation it's not a sign of broken government, it's the sign of a Liberal executive.

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