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Rynar
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Again, the high cost of pharmacuticals is almost entirely due to Medicare.

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That's foolishness. What company seeking to do business in the EU wouldn't seek patent protections there? They might not honor our patent laws, but they honor their own.


You don't get the patent protections unless you play ball with the government.

Honestly, I find that hard to believe, with the legions of lawyers pharma can deploy, they'd own the EU country that attempted such. IMHO

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I would suggest it's profit taking by pharmaceutical and medical supply companies, not insurers or doctors. Insurance companies have a profit margin of about 3%, those companies sit around 20%.


99% of this is caused by government price fixing.


I'm curious Rynar, while you blame the government price fixing, do you realize the price fixing is there because of Big Pharm lobbying?

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I'm curious, Michael. While you are so quick to blame Big Pharma lobbying, do you realize that without big government being there selling influence and the ability to price-fix, there is nothing for Big Pharma to buy, and therefore no Big Pharma?

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It is a vicious circle, no one is innocent except maybe the customer, but if he voted those idiots in, that is questionable too.

Just pointing fingers at one side is extremely partisan, and that was what i was commenting on.

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The thing is, Micheal, it's not partisan at all. Pointing out objective truths about where the problem started, and what caused our current Neo-Mercantilist economic system is neither right or left leaning. It's simple, honest, and intelligent. Furthermore, any argument claiming that a problem caused by creating an environment where big government can easily peddle influence and create huge government-industrial complexes which work only to further empower those already empowered can be cured by bigger government with more influence to peddle is ill-conceived and not worth considering the merits of.

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Ok I pulled my pay stub and between my employer and me we pay about $4300 per year for "ok" benefits so $16500 for a family seems in line. I was surprised.

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It is a vicious circle, no one is innocent except maybe the customer, but if he voted those idiots in, that is questionable too.

Just pointing fingers at one side is extremely partisan, and that was what i was commenting on.

The customer is not innocent either. If they were better informed they would not demand prescription treatments for every little thing in their lives.

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This whole thing reminds me of the discussion of "Cadillac healthcare plans" that's been bandied around in the past. Basically, people want more and more robust healthcare plans, and along with it, make fewer decisions about what is worth spending money on in the healthcare arena, and rather are more likely to just go with whatever the doctor says.

Alternatively, I only have a major medical plan with a moderately high deductible- most of the time, it works out well for me. I spend less out of pocket each year than I would have on the premium difference between my plan and a more full featured plan, but my deductible isn't so high that it won't cover me in the case of some disastrous diagnosis.

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