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I wan't 90 days notice before all debt is forgiven.

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Perception is exactly how assault charges work. If a "reasonable person" would interpret the conduct as threatening then it's assault. Your intent is irrelevant. That's also why its so easy to accuse people of stuff like sexual harassment, because if you believe you're being sexually harassed, you pretty much are.


No, this is not how assault charges work at all. Who told you this? An Assault is an attempt to cause physical harm; you have to actually be attempting to do so.

The confusion may arise if you're doing something like pretending to get ready to punch someone, but then don't. Aside from the fact that this is a threat and that usually is a crime in itself, the reason it is assault is not that the victim perceived it as such; it's that you actually began an attempt to cause physical harm and thereby assaulted the person. Since assault is the crime of attempting physical harm (whether or not it includes actually causing it; some states dispense with battery and put that under assault as well) the fact that you began the attempt is what makes it illegal, not the victim's perception. This is because it is a criminal case, not a civil one, and the court would much prefer to look at actions which can be testified to directly as opposed to your intent or the victim's perception which are solely a matter of the word of each.

In fact, a statute that made it dependent on victim perception would be a very dangerous violation of the standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt, because victim perception is highly doubtable.

Sexual harassment does work based on the reasonable person standard, but you are making the common mistake of confusing the victim's perception with that of a reasonable person. It does not matter that the victim felt harrassed; what matters is if they were reasonable in doing so. People frequently believe that what matters is the perception of the victim in these cases, when what really matters is the perception of a reasonable person.

If that were not the case, every single sexual harrassment complaint would always be upheld.

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At Occupy Philadelphia there were demands for a living wage: a twenty dollar an hour minimum wage.

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Cleveland had about 100 people show up (which surprised me, I thought it'd be 10). No word on their demands other than the same old tired sign about corporations != people until Texas executes them.

I think we could fix this problem by imposing a 300% tax on Apple, Starbucks and a $.20 per MB usage tax on free Wi-Fi. All these douchebags would need to go get a job to feed their corporate addictions.

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I think we could fix this problem by imposing a 300% tax on Apple, Starbucks and a $.20 per MB usage tax on free Wi-Fi. All these douchebags would need to go get a job to feed their corporate addictions.


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Cleveland had about 100 people show up (which surprised me, I thought it'd be 10). No word on their demands other than the same old tired sign about corporations != people until Texas executes them.

I think we could fix this problem by imposing a 300% tax on Apple, Starbucks and a $.20 per MB usage tax on free Wi-Fi. All these douchebags would need to go get a job to feed their corporate addictions.


You should probably add Birkenstock, and whoever manufactures the dumbassSmartcar to that list as well.

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Cleveland had about 100 people show up (which surprised me, I thought it'd be 10). No word on their demands other than the same old tired sign about corporations != people until Texas executes them.

I think we could fix this problem by imposing a 300% tax on Apple, Starbucks and a $.20 per MB usage tax on free Wi-Fi. All these douchebags would need to go get a job to feed their corporate addictions.


You should probably add Birkenstock, and whoever manufactures the dumbassSmartcar to that list as well.

Well either way, we can all agree that a soap-tax would have no impact on these people correct?

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You should probably add Birkenstock ...
http://www.birkenstock.com/index_gr24.php

Fairly certain that 237 years of fantastic, high quality house shoes and walking sandals defeats your hipster insinuation ...

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It's not a commentary on the company, it's a comment on the people in question. Apple is hardly a "hipster only" company either.

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You should probably add Birkenstock ...
http://www.birkenstock.com/index_gr24.php

Fairly certain that 237 years of fantastic, high quality house shoes and walking sandals defeats your hipster insinuation ...

Omg... Khross is finally outed as a hippie... GO BACK TO YOUR DRUM-CIRCLE YOU DIRTY BUM!

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You should probably add Birkenstock ...
http://www.birkenstock.com/index_gr24.php

Fairly certain that 237 years of fantastic, high quality house shoes and walking sandals defeats your hipster insinuation ...

Omg... Khross is finally outed as a hippie... GO BACK TO YOUR DRUM-CIRCLE YOU DIRTY BUM!


Grateful Dead and Birkenstocks. Oy. Seriously, man, get a friggin job.


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Hopwin wrote:
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You should probably add Birkenstock ...
http://www.birkenstock.com/index_gr24.php

Fairly certain that 237 years of fantastic, high quality house shoes and walking sandals defeats your hipster insinuation ...

Omg... Khross is finally outed as a hippie... GO BACK TO YOUR DRUM-CIRCLE YOU DIRTY BUM!

I'm gonna echo Arathain, here. This is a surprise? Grateful Dead, presumed pot-smoking professor in Liberal Arts, and he just recently linked Rustëd Root... And it's the Birkenstocks that tipped you off?

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Maybe he needs to get out of the suburbs...

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I can barely contain the hugglims that are multiplying in me that seek to embrace that image.

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Those 'demands' being posted all over the media, was 1 forum post by an anonymouse member on the OWS website, see here. There is quite a few of these in there forums and most are being deleted as they havent officially given any list of demands yet...

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed- ... st-moveme/

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Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.


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Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

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Now if we have just had some transparency, I'd throw it in my sig.

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Now if we have just had some transparency, I'd throw it in my sig.


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At Occupy Philadelphia there were demands for a living wage: a twenty dollar an hour minimum wage.


Yeah, to put that in perspective:

In 1970, the average man's salary was almost $7000 a year. This median included teenagers, the unemployed, part time workers, basically every American male over 15 years old.

$1 dollar today would have been worth almost $6 in 1970. Following that through, the average american man's salary, adjusted for inflation (Assuming you even trust the inflation numbers, which many of us don't), was over $40,000 a year, or about $20/hour. Higher inflation numbers would make that significantly higher. Of course, that's the average. Not everybody can make the average. Then it ceases to be the average and becomes the minimum.

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I was taking a class on Wednesday in downtown Seattle, directly across the street from the local protest. I walked through it in the morning and it was peaceful and pleasant enough for an occupation. Pretty much the same for lunch except for the bonus of being handed a Chick Tract by a non-protester who was hanging there. At then end of class, I was leaving the building at 4:20, and fully expected the demonstration to be shrouded in a haze of organic smoke, but instead was treated with seeing the block lined with police and the paddywagon being filled with "passengers." Shoulda taken a pic, but was in too much of a hurry to bother.


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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/ow ... -protests/

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Owners of New York City's Zuccotti Park may be starting to get fed up with it being occupied.

Brookfield Office properties, the firm that owns the central location for the Occupy Wall Street protests, has released a statement claiming that they have not been able to properly maintain the park and that sanitation has become a growing concern.

"Because many of the protestors refuse to cooperate by adhering to the [park] rules, the park has not been cleaned since Friday, September 16th, and as a result, sanitary conditions have reached unacceptable levels," said in a written statement by the property management firm.

Brookfield normally cleans and inspects the condition of the park every night which includes a power washing, landscaping, and trash removal. They haven't been able to do so since the protestors have sent up a tent city as part of the protests.

"Basic rules intended to keep the park safe, open, clean, and welcoming to all visitors are clearly posted," the statement from Brookfield reads. "These rules includes bans on the erection of tents or other structures, as well as the placement of tarps, sleeping bags, or other coverings on the property.

"Unfortunately, many of the individuals currently occupying the grounds are ignoring these basic yet necessary requirements, which interferes with the use of the park by others."

"#BrookfieldProps says they can't clean #LibertyPlaza. We'll share our brooms if they want 2 help," said one posting on the twitter feed @OccupyWallSt NYC.

Brookfield says that they recognize people's right to peacefully assemble but that they are also obligated to ensure that the park remains safe, clean and accessible to everyone.

"We continue to work with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose," the statement continued.

In addition to the growing mess at the park, The NYPD has spent over $2 million in overtime to keep cops stationed at the protests, according to a public statement by Commissioner Ray Kelly made yesterday afternoon.

The NYPD did not immediately return requests for comment on Brookfield's statement.

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