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Now if we have just had some transparency, I'd throw it in my sig.

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This one has to be fake right? Real or not, I got a laugh.

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At Occupy Philadelphia there were demands for a living wage: a twenty dollar an hour minimum wage.


Yeah, to put that in perspective:

In 1970, the average man's salary was almost $7000 a year. This median included teenagers, the unemployed, part time workers, basically every American male over 15 years old.

$1 dollar today would have been worth almost $6 in 1970. Following that through, the average american man's salary, adjusted for inflation (Assuming you even trust the inflation numbers, which many of us don't), was over $40,000 a year, or about $20/hour. Higher inflation numbers would make that significantly higher. Of course, that's the average. Not everybody can make the average. Then it ceases to be the average and becomes the minimum.

Indeed.

And, what's the percentage of women who work today vs. 1970? Because you've just diluted the job market's demand by that much. My guess is that total employment increased anywhere (relative to population) from 40-80% since 1970 due to two-income households. So, factor that in, and that average wage is probably more like $12-15.

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It's a little more complex than that, Kaffis; ultimately, however, median household income continues to decline relative to earning potential. The vast majority of real employers in the United States figured out that things were untenable during the 80s and 90s. As such, they started operating in a manner that minimized the impact of America's delusional 100% of the adult population must have a wage base mentality.

That said, it's highly likely that unless the United States starts behaving rationally, the world will blow itself up :)

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I actually already PM'd Khross a zip file with two transparent versions of it. One identical, one more horizontal "sig format". I just didn't wanna derail the thread anymore so I didn't post :D


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This one has to be fake right? Real or not, I got a laugh.


If it's real, then it's an excellent example of the problem. Not of the system but of the deluded people. If it's fake, then the fact that some will take it as real AND blame other people for it is an excellent example of the problem.

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It's a little more complex than that, Kaffis; ultimately, however, median household income continues to decline relative to earning potential. The vast majority of real employers in the United States figured out that things were untenable during the 80s and 90s. As such, they started operating in a manner that minimized the impact of America's delusional 100% of the adult population must have a wage base mentality.

That said, it's highly likely that unless the United States starts behaving rationally, the world will blow itself up :)


Oh, the world is going to blow itself up regardless of our domestic policy decisions. We're well past the point of economic redemption. This is going to be decided/end in war.

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It's a little more complex than that, Kaffis; ultimately, however, median household income continues to decline relative to earning potential. The vast majority of real employers in the United States figured out that things were untenable during the 80s and 90s. As such, they started operating in a manner that minimized the impact of America's delusional 100% of the adult population must have a wage base mentality.

That said, it's highly likely that unless the United States starts behaving rationally, the world will blow itself up :)


Oh, the world is going to blow itself up regardless of our domestic policy decisions. We're well past the point of economic redemption. This is going to be decided/end in war.


We've been engaged in war for a decade now. Also, you've basically repeated your 'everything is collapsing' mantra for 4 years. Eventually you say might come true just from pure chance. For example in Roman times you could say "Rome will be sacked and burned" over and over, and if you happened to live in the right year it would come true.


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You know, I disagree with a lot of what Al Franken puts out, but I still think he nailed the grievances the "99%" have with this cartoon, almost a decade ago.


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http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/protest ... x-20111007

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"They're trying to take away the tax base we have because none of this is good for tourism."
Although he expressed sympathy for "some of their complaints," Bloomberg warned that addressing them has to be accomplished "without hurting people and making the problem worse."
"If the jobs they are trying to get rid of in this city -- the people that work in finance, which is a big part of our economy -- we're not going to have any money to pay our municipal employees or clean the blocks or anything else."
The mayor's comments came in response to a caller to his WOR Radio show who asked what the city intended to do about the protest headquarters in Zuccotti Park, which is near her apartment and where hundreds of people are camped out.
"What about my rights to use the park?" asked the caller, named Marsha.


The smelly protesters should go home.


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We've been engaged in war for a decade now. Also, you've basically repeated your 'everything is collapsing' mantra for 4 years. Eventually you say might come true just from pure chance. For example in Roman times you could say "Rome will be sacked and burned" over and over, and if you happened to live in the right year it would come true.


and no matter how many times it's been explained to you, you still go on like it's supposed to be mad max armageddon immediatly. Do you have a goldfish memory?

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If it's real, then it's an excellent example of the problem. Not of the system but of the deluded people. If it's fake, then the fact that some will take it as real AND blame other people for it is an excellent example of the problem.


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That said, it's highly likely that unless the United States starts behaving rationally, the world will blow itself up :)


Probably not. We would have been hard-pressed to do that during the cold war, hystrionics about "Blowing the world up 10 times over" notwithstanding. Now we're looking at having a hard time just blowing up all the other side's missile silos and airfields.

Sadly, our own irrationality has eliminated the prospect for your proposed result of our own irrationality!!

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The world governments have grown increasingly incompetent since WW2. Nothing is going to get blown up a lot except random houses in the great sand pit here and there.


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The world governments have grown increasingly incompetent since WW2.



In what way?

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The world governments have grown increasingly incompetent since WW2.



In what way?

He hasn't got the foggiest idea. It's just another one-line get impression that he can't really explain o justify because he really hasn't thought about it beyond the most trivial consideration of the issue.

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Because the WWI, and WWII era governments where the model of stability, prudence and rational behavior! :)

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http://news.yahoo.com/us-protesters-cla ... 50979.html

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Because the WWI, and WWII era governments where the model of stability, prudence and rational behavior! :)


What I meant was that governments exercised a lot more authority back then, had control of the media, etc. A 1984 world seemed quite possible.


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The world governments have grown increasingly incompetent since WW2.



In what way?

He hasn't got the foggiest idea. It's just another one-line get impression that he can't really explain o justify because he really hasn't thought about it beyond the most trivial consideration of the issue.


He probably heard it on reddit.

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Not likely. Reddit has a raging hard-on for occupy wall street.

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Exactly, any corporation that is sufficiently evil can be dealt with by not supporting them. No Corporations force people to by anything. That's the government's job.

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Exactly, any corporation that is sufficiently evil can be dealt with by not supporting them. No Corporations force people to by anything. That's the government's job.


What about the corporations that give you electricity and heat?


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