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Ok, this show is definitely one of my top favorites now. Just about finished with season 3.

I've been so sucked into this show that when I received my Dexter season 5 DVD in the mail, I didn't plow through it like I normally do. I put it off to watch more Breaking Bad. That was enough to convince that I must be a fan.

And you're right, Hal is a badass. My favorite recurring character is hands-down Saul Goodman. Cracks me up every time.

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Ok, this show is definitely one of my top favorites now. Just about finished with season 3.

I've been so sucked into this show that when I received my Dexter season 5 DVD in the mail, I didn't plow through it like I normally do. I put it off to watch more Breaking Bad. That was enough to convince that I must be a fan.

And you're right, Hal is a badass. My favorite recurring character is hands-down Saul Goodman. Cracks me up every time.


Hal gets progressively more badass as his character develops.


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Numbuk wrote:
Ok, this show is definitely one of my top favorites now. Just about finished with season 3.

I've been so sucked into this show that when I received my Dexter season 5 DVD in the mail, I didn't plow through it like I normally do. I put it off to watch more Breaking Bad. That was enough to convince that I must be a fan.

And you're right, Hal is a badass. My favorite recurring character is hands-down Saul Goodman. Cracks me up every time.



Have you seen Episode 12 "Half Measures" yet? Because holy ****.

Really looking forward to the last episode this season.

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Numbuk wrote:
Ok, this show is definitely one of my top favorites now. Just about finished with season 3.

I've been so sucked into this show that when I received my Dexter season 5 DVD in the mail, I didn't plow through it like I normally do. I put it off to watch more Breaking Bad. That was enough to convince that I must be a fan.

And you're right, Hal is a badass. My favorite recurring character is hands-down Saul Goodman. Cracks me up every time.



Have you seen Episode 12 "Half Measures" yet? Because holy ****.

Really looking forward to the last episode this season.


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Holy crap...

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That was awesome. Also I thought that guy looked like Terminator.


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I keep thinking this show is done, that it has run it's course, and it just keeps getting better. Absolutely amazing season finale.


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I keep thinking this show is done, that it has run it's course, and it just keeps getting better. Absolutely amazing season finale.


I was gripped to my seat for a large part of it. It was great. I hope they have another season.


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The fifth and final season has already been greenlit (no thanks to Mad Men).


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16 more episodes, I heard a rumor they were breaking it into 8 and 8, whatever that means.

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16 more episodes, I heard a rumor they were breaking it into 8 and 8, whatever that means.


Probably just means a mid-season break like they do on a lot of shows now.


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Well, AMC is talking about stretching those 16 episodes into "two seasons," but yeah, most likely it'll effectively just be a midseason break.

That said, AMC are dicks, and I wouldn't doubt that they'd force people to wait a year to burn off eight episodes. We'll see.


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So have you watched the show FarSky? What do you think of it?

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I'm about halfway into the second season right now (on S2:E5).

The pilot was brilliant, one of the best TV scripts I've ever seen. The acting was phenomenal, particularly Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul.

The rest of season one fell a little flat compared to the tight, intricate, barnburner of a pilot. It rebounded at the end, and regained a lot of its initial energy.

The second season so far hasn't quite yet gotten its groove back...it feels like it's waffling a bit, readying itself. Keeping Walt and Jesse apart isn't nearly as effective as their misadventures together.

Even in the less active stretches, the performances and writing (as opposed to plotting) have been exceptional and compulsively watchable (the weak points being Anna Gunn as Skyler and Raymond Cruz as Tuco).

Overall the series is a good tale, even if it doesn't grab my imagination and make me grateful for the existence of fiction, as my favorite works do. Like Walt's cooking, however, it is excellent made and strangely addicting.


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Wow...just watched the season finale. Wow.

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Walt is a such a badass, and a complete bastard.


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Aegnor wrote:
Wow...just watched the season finale. Wow.

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Walt is a such a badass, and a complete bastard.



He's also very very smart.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
Aegnor wrote:
Wow...just watched the season finale. Wow.

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Walt is a such a badass, and a complete bastard.



He's also very very smart.


Absolutely brilliant. Also evil.


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Aegnor wrote:
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Wow...just watched the season finale. Wow.

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Walt is a such a badass, and a complete bastard.



He's also very very smart.


Absolutely brilliant. Also evil.


You wouldn't do anything for your family? I wouldn't call it 'evil'.


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You wouldn't do anything for your family? I wouldn't call it 'evil'.


You think he's still doing this for his family?


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Season Finale was great. Loved it and went pretty much as expected but with some surprises.

Still cant believe the actor that played Gus is the dude from Do the Right Thing. He's so good in this show.

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Good write up.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood ... view=print

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I don’t know that Vince Gilligan has a post-it stuck somewhere in his office listing the general narrative priorities of Breaking Bad. But if such a document were to exist, it’s fair to surmise that “Plausibly depict the interpersonal vagaries of the southwestern methamphetamine trade” would rank somewhere below “Revel in the philosophical ramifications of moral ambiguity,” and “Stylized violent imagery is kewl!” If the only, only, only possible way in the entire world for Walt to manipulate Jesse into helping him kill Gus Fring was to secretly poison a young child with a backyard plant, then, via a bodyguard’s strident patdown, switch out a pack of Parliaments in Jesse’s jacket pocket to help support the ruse, rather than just say, “Hey, Jesse, I heard that Gus thinks only pussies wear Affliction t-shirts,” then far be it for us to challenge. Good thing Walter’s spinning revolver — this is how we’re making all our important daily decisions from now on — didn’t wind up pointing a few degrees to the left, we’d be piecing together how a hibachi brought down an all-powerful meth kingpin. (Oh, right: spoiler alert.)


None of this tortured logic takes away from Breaking Bad’s mastery in the slightest, or the fact that every last slowly revealed detail of the plot was the height of drama. (Spelling has never been this exciting, and the next time a bell is rung at a bed-and-breakfast check-in counter, someone’s gonna need a change of pants.) If we’re going to believe that a meek, cancer-stricken high-school chemistry teacher and cuckold who happens to be the brother-in-law of a crackerjack DEA agent is capable of transforming into a cold-blooded supervillain inside a calendar year — and, obviously, we are, happily — then we’ll take Gilligan’s word that this is how such a metamorphosis might transpire. Stark realism is hardly the order of the day anyway, nor should it be at a network whose lights are being kept on by a show about zombie hordes being shot in the face by plucky survivors who can only communicate in bursts of clunky exposition. When we see Gus step calmly from the explosion to straighten his tie, we howl at the Wile. E. Coyote absurdity; when we see the T2 reveal of Gus' blown-off face, we howl at the absurdity of that. (We cannot credibly speak to the medical probability of surviving, even for a couple of seconds, the loss of important parts of one’s skull, but that Wild At Heart scene with Sherilyn Fenn picking at the hole in her head after the car accident is entering its third decade of creeping us the **** out.) The visual gag is the point.

Reading Gilligan tell Dave Itzkoff at the New York Times about how this one shot was planned with effects gurus over the course of months speaks to how important solitary, fetishized visual images are to this show: The floating teddy bear or Danny Trejo’s head on a turtle in season two, every single thing the Cousins did in season three, no matter how many emotional twists and turns the story takes, Gilligan wants you to turn off your TV with a particular image burned into your retinas, and if that kind of lingering iconography enriches or even confuses your understanding of the characters’ motives, so be it. Breaking Bad may not quite have The Wire or Deadwood’s ear for elevated dialogue (it’s close, though) but neither of those shows displayed this kind of command of visual language. If there’s any downside to this jaw-dropping (literally!) shot, it’s that the sheer gnarliness and audacity may risk overwhelming the quietly seething good work Giancarlo Esposito has done for the past two years, the same way no one ever talks about the racehorse from The Godfather having had a winning record in mud, but that’s probably just the morning-after shock talking. Consider those Jordans stepped on.

It’s been speculated elsewhere that the shot a couple weeks ago at the end of “Crawl Space” that made it look like Walt was cackling in a grave really did mark the death of “Walter White” and the completion of his transformation into a full-time Heisenberg. His subsequent actions have a cold, murderous detachment that other Morally Slippery Cable-TV Primary Protagonist Hall of Famers lack — Tony Soprano’s commitment to his family (Christopher excluded), or at least his interest in eating fried food with them, led to his demise (or did it?); Don Draper is more confused than devious. When he tells Skyler, “I won,” that’s Heisenberg declaring victory over Walt, not Walt declaring victory over Gus. Here’s hoping the whole thing ends with a one-man fistfight in a parking garage.

The fact that Walt elected to use the Lily of the Valley plant than the more lethal ricin itself is all anyone in the “Walt’s not that bad, he’s just trying to protect his family” camp has left, if there even is such a camp anymore. This is what’s become of his mercy and humanity, picking a slightly less awful poison. At this point, it’s debatable whether Walt even likes his family enough to hang out in a diner with them, much less be willing to give his life to save theirs; how many times has he even been shown in the same room as Holly? If he’s not in this for self-preservation, and he’s not in this for the trappings of power, then he’s in it for some deep-seated, ultimately insatiable need for validation and revenge against the universe in general, and that can’t end well. All we have is the history of everything ever as evidence. Whatever swelling-strings satisfaction gained from seeing Jesse and Walt team up again, both in killing Gus and in trashing the superlab, is short-lived; Jesse is Walt’s puppet, not his partner, and psychically shattered megalomaniacs tend to work alone anyway. (And let’s all pour out a little hydrochloric acid for Lavandería Brillante and its crazy basement — some good, good times in there.)

The final 16 episodes of Breaking Bad, however and whenever they’re shown, look to be not just an exercise in testing an audience’s investment in a thoroughly reprehensible lead character, of how hard we’ll look to find those last threads of mercy and humanity, but really, of how willingly we glorify the absence of those things. Soulless demons make for good t-shirts. Gilligan isn’t perpetually name-dropping Scarface for nothing.

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Aegnor wrote:
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You wouldn't do anything for your family? I wouldn't call it 'evil'.


You think he's still doing this for his family?


It stopped being "for his family" a long time ago.

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Good write up.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood ... view=print

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I don’t know that Vince Gilligan has a post-it stuck somewhere in his office listing the general narrative priorities of Breaking Bad. But if such a document were to exist, it’s fair to surmise that “Plausibly depict the interpersonal vagaries of the southwestern methamphetamine trade” would rank somewhere below “Revel in the philosophical ramifications of moral ambiguity,” and “Stylized violent imagery is kewl!” If the only, only, only possible way in the entire world for Walt to manipulate Jesse into helping him kill Gus Fring was to secretly poison a young child with a backyard plant, then, via a bodyguard’s strident patdown, switch out a pack of Parliaments in Jesse’s jacket pocket to help support the ruse, rather than just say, “Hey, Jesse, I heard that Gus thinks only pussies wear Affliction t-shirts,” then far be it for us to challenge. Good thing Walter’s spinning revolver — this is how we’re making all our important daily decisions from now on — didn’t wind up pointing a few degrees to the left, we’d be piecing together how a hibachi brought down an all-powerful meth kingpin. (Oh, right: spoiler alert.)


None of this tortured logic takes away from Breaking Bad’s mastery in the slightest, or the fact that every last slowly revealed detail of the plot was the height of drama. (Spelling has never been this exciting, and the next time a bell is rung at a bed-and-breakfast check-in counter, someone’s gonna need a change of pants.) If we’re going to believe that a meek, cancer-stricken high-school chemistry teacher and cuckold who happens to be the brother-in-law of a crackerjack DEA agent is capable of transforming into a cold-blooded supervillain inside a calendar year — and, obviously, we are, happily — then we’ll take Gilligan’s word that this is how such a metamorphosis might transpire. Stark realism is hardly the order of the day anyway, nor should it be at a network whose lights are being kept on by a show about zombie hordes being shot in the face by plucky survivors who can only communicate in bursts of clunky exposition. When we see Gus step calmly from the explosion to straighten his tie, we howl at the Wile. E. Coyote absurdity; when we see the T2 reveal of Gus' blown-off face, we howl at the absurdity of that. (We cannot credibly speak to the medical probability of surviving, even for a couple of seconds, the loss of important parts of one’s skull, but that Wild At Heart scene with Sherilyn Fenn picking at the hole in her head after the car accident is entering its third decade of creeping us the **** out.) The visual gag is the point.

Reading Gilligan tell Dave Itzkoff at the New York Times about how this one shot was planned with effects gurus over the course of months speaks to how important solitary, fetishized visual images are to this show: The floating teddy bear or Danny Trejo’s head on a turtle in season two, every single thing the Cousins did in season three, no matter how many emotional twists and turns the story takes, Gilligan wants you to turn off your TV with a particular image burned into your retinas, and if that kind of lingering iconography enriches or even confuses your understanding of the characters’ motives, so be it. Breaking Bad may not quite have The Wire or Deadwood’s ear for elevated dialogue (it’s close, though) but neither of those shows displayed this kind of command of visual language. If there’s any downside to this jaw-dropping (literally!) shot, it’s that the sheer gnarliness and audacity may risk overwhelming the quietly seething good work Giancarlo Esposito has done for the past two years, the same way no one ever talks about the racehorse from The Godfather having had a winning record in mud, but that’s probably just the morning-after shock talking. Consider those Jordans stepped on.

It’s been speculated elsewhere that the shot a couple weeks ago at the end of “Crawl Space” that made it look like Walt was cackling in a grave really did mark the death of “Walter White” and the completion of his transformation into a full-time Heisenberg. His subsequent actions have a cold, murderous detachment that other Morally Slippery Cable-TV Primary Protagonist Hall of Famers lack — Tony Soprano’s commitment to his family (Christopher excluded), or at least his interest in eating fried food with them, led to his demise (or did it?); Don Draper is more confused than devious. When he tells Skyler, “I won,” that’s Heisenberg declaring victory over Walt, not Walt declaring victory over Gus. Here’s hoping the whole thing ends with a one-man fistfight in a parking garage.

The fact that Walt elected to use the Lily of the Valley plant than the more lethal ricin itself is all anyone in the “Walt’s not that bad, he’s just trying to protect his family” camp has left, if there even is such a camp anymore. This is what’s become of his mercy and humanity, picking a slightly less awful poison. At this point, it’s debatable whether Walt even likes his family enough to hang out in a diner with them, much less be willing to give his life to save theirs; how many times has he even been shown in the same room as Holly? If he’s not in this for self-preservation, and he’s not in this for the trappings of power, then he’s in it for some deep-seated, ultimately insatiable need for validation and revenge against the universe in general, and that can’t end well. All we have is the history of everything ever as evidence. Whatever swelling-strings satisfaction gained from seeing Jesse and Walt team up again, both in killing Gus and in trashing the superlab, is short-lived; Jesse is Walt’s puppet, not his partner, and psychically shattered megalomaniacs tend to work alone anyway. (And let’s all pour out a little hydrochloric acid for Lavandería Brillante and its crazy basement — some good, good times in there.)

The final 16 episodes of Breaking Bad, however and whenever they’re shown, look to be not just an exercise in testing an audience’s investment in a thoroughly reprehensible lead character, of how hard we’ll look to find those last threads of mercy and humanity, but really, of how willingly we glorify the absence of those things. Soulless demons make for good t-shirts. Gilligan isn’t perpetually name-dropping Scarface for nothing.



Good read.

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"When he tells Skyler, “I won,” that’s Heisenberg declaring victory over Walt, not Walt declaring victory over Gus."

Interesting take. As far as the whole "Walt isn't so bad" crowd as opposed to Walt is a soulless demon, I have to say I always think of Gilligan using Scarface as his prototype for "Bad" and Walt isnt there yet.

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When he tells Skyler, “I won,” that’s Heisenberg declaring victory over Walt, not Walt declaring victory over Gus. Here’s hoping the whole thing ends with a one-man fistfight in a parking garage.

The fact that Walt elected to use the Lily of the Valley plant than the more lethal ricin itself is all anyone in the “Walt’s not that bad, he’s just trying to protect his family” camp has left, if there even is such a camp anymore. This is what’s become of his mercy and humanity, picking a slightly less awful poison


Jesse has always been the puppet, the pawn in this, and we've seen that through all the times he's attempted to redeem himself. My personal view is that now that Gus is dead, the remainder of the series will be Jesse's discovery of the depths of "Mr. White's" betrayal and their ultimate conflict. The show has always been about these two characters, but the best part is that I have no idea who would win, with the current state of things. In any normal "hero's tale" Jesse would eventually have to kill Walter and move on with his life, get clean, but this is Breaking Bad. The show could end with Walter sitting down to dinner and playing with his infant daughter, a grin on his face , as it cuts to Jesse's corpse dissolving in hydrochloric acid.


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Vindicarre wrote:
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You wouldn't do anything for your family? I wouldn't call it 'evil'.


You think he's still doing this for his family?


It stopped being "for his family" a long time ago.


That's when I quit watching the show.

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