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Pretty much sums my feelings up entirely.

http://reason.com/archives/2009/11/16/k ... goodbye-if

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Kiss Your Freedoms Goodbye If Health Care Passes
Why we cannot afford to sit out this fight
Andrew Napolitano | November 16, 2009

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Congress recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights. If this health care bill becomes law, America, life as you have known it, freedom as you have exercised it, and privacy as you have enjoyed it will cease to be.

Last week the House of Representatives voted on a 2,000 page bill to give the federal government the power to micromanage the health care of every single American. The bill will raise your taxes, steal your freedom, invade your privacy, and ration your health care. Even the Republicans have introduced their version of Obamacare Lite. It, too, if passed, will compel employers to provide coverage, bribe the states to change their court rules, and tell insurance companies whom to insure.

We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your freedoms.

Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom. Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of some faceless bureaucrat.

When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare," he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it doesn't even read the laws it writes.

America, this is not an academic issue. If this health care bill becomes law, life as you have known it, freedom as you have exercised it, privacy as you have enjoyed it, will cease to be.

When Congress takes away our freedoms, they will be gone forever. What will you do to prevent this from happening?

We Can't Sit Back and Allow the Loss of Our Freedoms

We elect the government. It works for us. As we watch the Democrats' plans for health care take shape, we can only ask how did our government get so removed, so unbridled, so arrogant that it can tell us how to live our personal lives?

On Saturday November 7, at 11 o’clock in the evening, the House of Representatives voted by a five vote margin to have the federal government manage the health care of every American at a cost of $1 trillion dollars over the next ten years.

For the first time in American history, if this bill becomes law, the Feds will force you to buy insurance you might not want, or may not need, or cannot afford. If you don’t purchase what the government tells you to buy, if you don’t do so when they tell you to do it, and if you don’t buy just what they say is right for you, the government may fine you, prosecute you, and even put you in jail. Freedom of choice and control over your own body will be lost. The privacy of your communications and medical decision making with your physician will be gone. More of your hard earned dollars will be at the disposal of federal bureaucrats.

It was not supposed to be this way. We elect the government. It works for us. How did it get so removed, so unbridled, so arrogant that it can tell us how to live our personal lives? Evil rarely comes upon us all at once, and liberty is rarely lost in one stroke. It happens gradually, over the years and decades and even centuries. A little stretch here, a cave in there, powers are slowly taken from the states and the people and before you know it, we have one big monster government that recognizes no restraint on its ability to tell us how to live. It claims the power to regulate any activity, tax any behavior, and demand conformity to any standard it chooses.

The Founders did not give us a government like the one we have today. The government they gave us was strictly limited in its scope, guaranteed individual liberty, preserved the free market, and on matters that pertain to our private behavior was supposed to leave us alone.

In the Constitution, the Founders built in checks and balances. If the Congress got out of hand, the states would restrain it. If the states stole liberty or property, the Congress would cure it. If the president tried to become a king, the courts would prevent it.

In the next few weeks, I will be giving a public class on Constitutional Law here on the Fox News Channel, on the Fox Business Network, on Foxnews.com, and on Fox Nation. In anticipation of that, many of you have asked: What can we do now about the loss of freedom? For starters, we can vote the bums out of their cushy federal offices! We can persuade our state governments to defy the Feds in areas like health care—where the Constitution gives the Feds zero authority. We can petition our state legislatures to threaten to amend the Constitution to abolish the income tax, return the selection of U.S. senators to state legislatures, and nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution.

One thing we can’t do is just sit back and take it.

Judge Andrew Napolitano is Fox News' senior judicial analyst. This article originally appeared in two parts on FoxNews.com.

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Yup, it isn't about party. It is about career politicians and would be "do gooders".

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Bah. All I saw was a bunch of judicial activism...

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Bah. All I saw was a bunch of judicial activism...


It's only judicial activism if you disagree with the judge's opinions. If you agree, then he was just interpreting the law as written.

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Normally judicial activism requires the judge to be sitting on the bench.

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I think he's inciting the people to revolt- better black bag him.

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Hateful racism?


My beef with this column is that he presents both parties as enemies of Constitutional values, then states that the answer is to "vote them out." Who, exactly, should we vote for if the two parties are equally problematic?

Other than that, I hold with his opinions, essentially.

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Vote for indepndent Jake Towne in the 15thCD of Pa.

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I agree with the general gist of the article, but the argument that "Congress is violating the Constitution" is bunk. Ever since the 16th Amendment (or the court decision if you follow that line of reasoning) allowed income taxes, all Constitutional limits on Congress' power were effectively removed. There is nothing they can't pass when they can Constitutionally threaten anyone who doesn't comply with their "optional suggestion" with 100% taxation.


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A lot of people gladly give up the freedom to be taken care of by mommy government though, and they all vote. It's pretty depressing.

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Xequecal wrote:
I agree with the general gist of the article, but the argument that "Congress is violating the Constitution" is bunk. Ever since the 16th Amendment (or the court decision if you follow that line of reasoning) allowed income taxes, all Constitutional limits on Congress' power were effectively removed. There is nothing they can't pass when they can Constitutionally threaten anyone who doesn't comply with their "optional suggestion" with 100% taxation.


You're sounding more and more like an American Xeq. :)

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The opponents of the New Deal programs like Medicare and Social Security screamed and hollered at the top of their lungs that the passage of those programs would mean the absolute end of all American freedom and liberty, and they were wrong.

This is no different.

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Monte wrote:
The opponents of the New Deal programs like Medicare and Social Security screamed and hollered at the top of their lungs that the passage of those programs would mean the absolute end of all American freedom and liberty, and they were wrong.

This is no different.



They weren't wrong Monte. Its just a slow painful ride. If medicare and SS were never created we won't be looking at our entire GDP being consumed by them by 2040 and this healthcare bill would never have been proposed.

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They absolutely were wrong. If Medicare and Social Security were not created, we would no longer be a country.

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They absolutely were wrong. If Medicare and Social Security were not created, we would no longer be a country.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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We wouldn't. Plain and simple, this country would have fallen to a revolution. People can only go so hungry for so long.

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We wouldn't. Plain and simple, this country would have fallen to a revolution. People can only go so hungry for so long.


Because they die.

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And now you understand my point. Given the choice between survival and death, few would choose to starve to death. Few would also choose to allow their aging family members or neighbors to starve to death or go without medical care.

Which is why we passed Medicare and Social Security. And in the past, the same kind of folks hooted and hollared and gnashed their teeth and tore their shirts about loss of liberty, when in fact no liberty was lost.

I would argue liberty was gained, to be honest. Social programs like this increase opportunity and help to insure productive, healthy lives into even our elderly years. Life and liberty are intertwined.

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Monte wrote:
They absolutely were wrong. If Medicare and Social Security were not created, we would no longer be a country.



Hows the water out there in the deep end?

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Monte wrote:
And now you understand my point. Given the choice between survival and death, few would choose to starve to death. Few would also choose to allow their aging family members or neighbors to starve to death or go without medical care.

Which is why we passed Medicare and Social Security. And in the past, the same kind of folks hooted and hollared and gnashed their teeth and tore their shirts about loss of liberty, when in fact no liberty was lost.

I would argue liberty was gained, to be honest. Social programs like this increase opportunity and help to insure productive, healthy lives into even our elderly years. Life and liberty are intertwined.



Get this: The able-bodied could work to take care of their elderly parents just like every culture on the planet has since the dawn of time except in those cultures were the elderly willingly wander off to die to ease thei children of the burden.

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Sometimes you just have to start over. And sometimes, you have to burn it all and then start over.

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While you might think that a great societal more, we have clearly gone in a different direction. The Winter Wolf thing might be good for some, but it didn't play here.

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Sometimes you just have to start over. And sometimes, you have to burn it all and then start over.


Can we please stop advocating for open revolution, the dissolution of our society, and direct violence against elected officials on this forum? Please?

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The harder one side pulls rights and freedoms away, the harder another will pull to keep them.

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Monte wrote:
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Sometimes you just have to start over. And sometimes, you have to burn it all and then start over.


Can we please stop advocating for open revolution, the dissolution of our society, and direct violence against elected officials on this forum? Please?

Can you please stop being a douche on our forum? Please?

Kaffis has reported himself for name calling. I'm adding in poisoning the well, because the emotions are carried over from elsewhere with the words "on our forum."

Kaffis, your report shows no remorse, and you are hereby officially warned, and asked to stop calling Monte names. Repeat offenses will lead to further discipline and temporary banishment. Arguing with this moderation will cause the team to ask Amdee to give you an atomic wedgie, intensity at her road warrioresque discretion. Satisfied?

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