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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:18 am 
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At least this girl is honest. Yeah people were throwing bottles and rocks at the police and they warned people to stop and disperse but... using tear gas was totally uncalled for!


Yeah. Moron. Police tell you, "Hey, we kinda need y'all to go home, or we're gonna need to deploy some tear gas and such" and you throw rocks and bottles at them?

Y'all get what you deserve.

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They'd love that. There was a clip about someone saying what this movement really needs is a Kent State.


And give them some actual REAL reason to go down in history? No way! Could you imagine the martyrdom?? Don't validate them please!

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I get what yer sayin there, dude, but we couldn't possibly martyr them all...and all it takes is one martyr and the rest living for this whole stupid thing to carry on forever.

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I'm happy that the movement is causing discussion on topics. I just wish they would learn that camping out a illegally in a public space is not going to advance anything except labeling of the movement. If the tea party and the occupy wall street movement ever realize they are talking about basically the same thing and joined forces? Wow things would have to change.

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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/overtime-solidarity-and-complaints-in-wall-st-protests/


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The cost of policing the ongoing demonstrations by Occupy Wall Street is mounting, according to Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly.

Nearly a month after protesters took up residence at a park near Wall Street, Mr. Kelly said that overtime costs to police their activities and marches had hit nearly $2 million.

On Wednesday, word came that those costs had increased to $3.2 million. Where the final figure will land is anybody’s guess.

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Just to put forth a sense of scale:

14,946,417,338,710.84
00,000,003,200,000.00

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Just to put forth a sense of scale:

14,946,417,338,710.84
00,000,003,200,000.00


Which is entirely irrelevant. The costs of policing these demonstrations are being born by the municipalities, which are required to have balanced budgets. The bill is not being footed by the Federal government.

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It's very relevant, especially if you think 3,200,000.00 is a big number. You are not responsible for paying the $3,200,000.00 figure, but you are responsible for the $14,946,417,338,710.84 amount.

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Corolinth wrote:
It's very relevant, especially if you think 3,200,000.00 is a big number. You are not responsible for paying the $3,200,000.00 figure, but you are responsible for the $14,946,417,338,710.84 amount.


It's a big number to the municipality in question. More to the point, I'm not responsible for the 14x10^12 number; I'm responsible for about 1/3.3x10^8 of it and it's not like anyone is going to show up at my door to collect, anyhow.

What are you trying to say? That we shouldn't give a **** about the price of dealing with these idiots if we don't happen to live in a city where they are because of the national debt?

No, it isn't relevant at all. The two are completely separate issues.

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You can hear things about the "proles" throwing the "boot off their neck" and other such nonsense, and the slobbering over any perceived provocation, no matter how minor, in the hopes some 1917 style workers' revolution is going to kick off tomorrow.

The real hilarity of that is that these same people pooh-poohd the idea that civilian-owned firearms could possibly be any protection against tyranny, and had all kinds of elaborate arguments detailing how that could never work.. but now all of a sudden a bunch of nitwits camping out in the streets are going to organize into a worker's revolution!

I think that in order to have a "Worker's Revolution," first you need some of the revolters to be working. Perhaps I'm nitpicking.

The hilarity I find is that all the "civilian-owned firearms have no place in society and don't make you any safer!" people are the ones who are getting fired on by cops. How's that working out for you, guys?

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Seriously, what kind of protest is this that they have the dang thing CATERED??

They only said that the revolution would not be televised. Nobody said anything about it not being catered.

We are the 96.3%.

Apparently, it won't be televised, because television is so a decade ago. Now, the revolution WILL be YouTubed.

And ALOL at We are the 96.3%.

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I'm happy that the movement is causing discussion on topics. I just wish they would learn that camping out a illegally in a public space is not going to advance anything except labeling of the movement. If the tea party and the occupy wall street movement ever realize they are talking about basically the same thing and joined forces? Wow things would have to change.

Pretty much this, yeah. It's hilarious to me to see how dumb Occupy is as a movement. It doesn't recognize the similarity to Tea Parties' grievances, and arrives at completely ridiculous various "demands" and objectives that won't solve any of them. And then, they're stupid enough to protest without a permit (while often supporting Authoritarian consolidations of power by expanding government!!!), and complain and cry "favoritism!" when they get forcibly removed from the premises after being duly warned.

The Tea Party attendees, meanwhile, hold down their jobs, stage events across the country rather than blowing their last savings to fly cross-country and become a homeless trespasser, and finally, file for permits so they don't have to be evicted from their protests. They seem to have it all together, huh? I wonder which has the more thought out solutions to the common problems they both decry...

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I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to reflect upon just how distinctly unAmerican a "protest permit" actually is.

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I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to reflect upon just how distinctly unAmerican a "protest permit" actually is.


So hypothetically, you would be fine with protests blocking traffic or preventing the maintenance of parks 365 days of the year?


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I'm admit I'm curious as to the estimated efficacy of a protest that:

A. offends no one
B. inconveniences no one
C. gets a permission slip from the government (particularly when it's against the government that the protest is occurring)


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I'm admit I'm curious as to the estimated efficacy of a protest that:

A. offends no one
B. inconveniences no one
C. gets a permission slip from the government (particularly when it's against the government that the protest is occurring)


Protests that inconvenience people typically have negative efficacy, because they harm commerce and tourism.


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FarSky wrote:
I'm admit I'm curious as to the estimated efficacy of a protest that:

A. offends no one
B. inconveniences no one
C. gets a permission slip from the government (particularly when it's against the government that the protest is occurring)


Yeah. It's basically acquiescing to the machine when it tells you to, "feel free to try and prevent or change what I'm doing, but not in any way that prevents or changes what I'm doing."

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So hypothetically, you would be fine with protests blocking traffic or preventing the maintenance of parks 365 days of the year?
Your authoritarian trolling skills are nowhere near as refined as other members of the board. Old age and trickery truly does beat youth and exuberance every time.

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FarSky wrote:
I'm admit I'm curious as to the estimated efficacy of a protest that:

A. offends no one
B. inconveniences no one
C. gets a permission slip from the government (particularly when it's against the government that the protest is occurring)


Totally agree, as long as the inconvenienced are allowed to use tear gas and rubber bullets as a counter-protest.


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FarSky wrote:
I'm admit I'm curious as to the estimated efficacy of a protest that:

A. offends no one
B. inconveniences no one
C. gets a permission slip from the government (particularly when it's against the government that the protest is occurring)


Totally agree, as long as the inconvenienced are allowed to use tear gas and rubber bullets as a counter-protest.


Would you argue the same for the civil rights protests of the 60s?


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TheRiov wrote:
Buliwyf wrote:
FarSky wrote:
I'm admit I'm curious as to the estimated efficacy of a protest that:

A. offends no one
B. inconveniences no one
C. gets a permission slip from the government (particularly when it's against the government that the protest is occurring)


Totally agree, as long as the inconvenienced are allowed to use tear gas and rubber bullets as a counter-protest.


Would you argue the same for the civil rights protests of the 60s?


I'd argue the same thing with any protest: "You have every right to peacefully protest, but I have to be at work in 10 minutes, so if you don't get out of my way, this protest is going to cease to be peaceful."

Protest all you want, but don't make life more difficult for me while you do. Not hard to understand.


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The point of a protest is to inconvenience people. Generally speaking, everybody likes their nice, quiet, convenient lives. They're quite content to ignore things that don't effect them, such as niggers having to use separate drinking fountains. Then, when they're inconvenienced by the protesters, they start lynching them. That's why we protect the protester's right to protest, instead of your desire to fire rubber bullets and tear gas into the crowd because you're upset that you're late for work.

And since statistically speaking, you're going to get away with it despite you being the one actually carrying out the illegal action, when and if (and this is a big if) the law actually does come down, you get to suck a dick.

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Seriously? That's gonna be your argument? I have to respect you, but you don't have to respect me? F*** that, you can suck a dick.


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I agree with the premise that a protest permit is a joke.

However, there is nothing stopping these people from protesting in violation of whatever rules/regulations/laws are imposed on them. I'm pretty sure the civil rights protesters broke a lot of laws, and/or were arrested many times under false pretenses. The difference is they had the cajones to protest anyway. These OWS protesters are a bunch of panty wastes.


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There's no right to protest, there's the right to assemble and a right of free speech. Since the entire public enjoys those same rights, it's pretty much a given that those who are demonstrating those rights needs be considerate of the public and not interfere with their plans.

Unless, of course, you advocate that one persons rights can be considered superior to another's, in which case, get the hell out of my park, get a haircut, and get a job you slackers!

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Fact of the matter is, you protest to get your message heard. The best way to do this is be as obnoxious as humanly possible. Which likely involves inconveniencing people. The bad thing about it is that inconveniencing you are doing will likely turn people against you because **** you, you made me late for work you mother ****.

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