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They are protesting government irregardless of their own thoughts on the matter at hand.

So, you just frame the issue to fit your argument and ignore what is actually being communicated...


Tell me, where do you live that corporations directly pass laws and can levy taxes? It seems to me that the group that does those things is the government.


Yeah, because that's what he said.

They aren't protesting government. And nobody protests anything REGARDLESS of their own thoughts. They are protesting what they say they are protesting. Whether or not their grievances make sense is another matter.


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So, you just frame the issue to fit your argument and ignore what is actually being communicated...


Tell me, where do you live that corporations directly pass laws and can levy taxes? It seems to me that the group that does those things is the government.


Yeah, because that's what he said.

They aren't protesting government. And nobody protests anything REGARDLESS of their own thoughts. They are protesting what they say they are protesting. Whether or not their grievances make sense is another matter.


What they are protesting are the current laws. Look at their list of demands. Who are they making these demands of?

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You're projecting Rynar. If you were protesting, you'd be protesting against the government, but this isn't about you.

These folks are socialists, not anarchists.

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You're projecting Rynar. If you were protesting, you'd be protesting against the government, but this isn't about you.

These folks are socialists, not anarchists.


They are not appealing to corporations to change their actions, they are appealing to government to mandate change.

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What they are protesting are the current laws. Look at their list of demands. Who are they making these demands of?


Some of the demands are related to government, to be sure. However, they are protesting wall street, and making demands that the government fix wall street. Huge difference.


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You're projecting Rynar. If you were protesting, you'd be protesting against the government, but this isn't about you.

These folks are socialists, not anarchists.


They are not appealing to corporations to change their actions, they are appealing to government to mandate change.


Because they don't like the corporations. "You suck, corporations!" "Government, help us regulate them!"


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Maybe I'm giving them too much credit. I assumed that they are Occupying Wall Street symbolically, while their actual protest is directed at our current for of government, which isn't socialist enough for their delicate pallets.

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They get points for being active in their citizenship, but not too much for effective communication.

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So.....have these people reached any concrete terms or are they still protesting just to protest? I mean, what exactly is the ultimate goal here? Or is there one? Maybe the protest was the goal...just to have something to do...

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I think they're very clearly stated their goals...

"Hey you, yeah, you! You guys with money!"

"Pay my bills!"

It just doesn't resonate in me enough to agree.

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Yeah, I'm aware they want everyone to pay for their crap, but have they actually set forth any demands like "we will not stop demonstrating until a law is passed that makes all student loans since 2007 disappear" or something like that?
I mean, even if you have a VALID reason to protest, it's completely ineffective and pointless if you don't have an end-point, an achievement in mind.
This is what leads me to believe it's a bunch of whiny slackers who just needed a social movement to validate their poor choices in life.

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Best I can tell, they want socialism to replace capitalism.

http://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/

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LadyKate wrote:
it's a bunch of whiny slackers who just needed a social movement to validate their poor choices in life.

Your skill in insight has increased! (113)

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(2:12:02 PM) Kaffis: http://www.gladerebooted.org/viewtopic. ... 16#p173516
(2:12:54 PM) Corolinth: I really stopped taking that thread even remotely seriously.
(2:14:08 PM) Corolinth: If all of the people playing high and mighty and trumpeting the Tea Party's moral superiority would read back over their, "When the Tea Party protested corporate bailouts, everyone called us racist!" comments and think a little harder, they'd see how stupid they sound.
(2:14:43 PM) Corolinth: If you're both basically protesting the same thing - the bank bailouts - then why are you at each other's **** throats?
Maybe if all of you worthless sons of ***** would stop sniping at each other over political blogs and news website comment boxes, and embrace the common ideas that you all profess to have (i.e. pissed off about bailouts), you could actually get something done!

It was okay when Bush did it, but it's evil when Obama does it? **** conservatives!

It was evil when Bush did it, but it's okay when Obama does it? **** liberals!

This is why I want to round all of you up in a giant sack and use it as a pinata.

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Corolinth, the most startling revelation of your chat log is that ANYONE took this thread seriously to begin with.

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Coro:

The issue, beyond the normal Red v. Blue, actual policy be damned, is that the base on both sides refuses to acknowledge that the cure to what ails them is the abolishment of the Federal Reserve System. Both sides of this coin, to different degrees and in different ways, require it to exist in order for their prefered for of government to be propped up. This undermines the few places they do actually agree.

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Huh, and here I thought it was because the media and our government were pulling smoke and mirrors charades to generate artificial issues for the general public to be divided over so that nobody ever noticed the real problem.

Oh, wait...

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The issue, beyond the normal Red v. Blue, actual policy be damned, is that the base on both sides refuses to acknowledge that the cure to what ails them is the abolishment of the Federal Reserve System. Both sides of this coin, to different degrees and in different ways, require it to exist in order for their prefered for of government to be propped up. This undermines the few places they do actually agree.

So they agree on means but not ends?


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Not really. They agree about the bailouts, but that's about it.

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Corolinth wrote:
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(2:12:02 PM) Kaffis: http://www.gladerebooted.org/viewtopic. ... 16#p173516
(2:12:54 PM) Corolinth: I really stopped taking that thread even remotely seriously.
(2:14:08 PM) Corolinth: If all of the people playing high and mighty and trumpeting the Tea Party's moral superiority would read back over their, "When the Tea Party protested corporate bailouts, everyone called us racist!" comments and think a little harder, they'd see how stupid they sound.
(2:14:43 PM) Corolinth: If you're both basically protesting the same thing - the bank bailouts - then why are you at each other's **** throats?
Maybe if all of you worthless sons of ***** would stop sniping at each other over political blogs and news website comment boxes, and embrace the common ideas that you all profess to have (i.e. pissed off about bailouts), you could actually get something done!

It was okay when Bush did it, but it's evil when Obama does it? **** conservatives!

It was evil when Bush did it, but it's okay when Obama does it? **** liberals!

This is why I want to round all of you up in a giant sack and use it as a pinata.


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I'm happy that the movement is causing discussion on topics. I just wish they would learn that camping out a illegally in a public space is not going to advance anything except labeling of the movement. If the tea party and the occupy wall street movement ever realize they are talking about basically the same thing and joined forces? Wow things would have to change.

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I'm happy that the movement is causing discussion on topics. I just wish they would learn that camping out a illegally in a public space is not going to advance anything except labeling of the movement. If the tea party and the occupy wall street movement ever realize they are talking about basically the same thing and joined forces? Wow things would have to change.

He doesn't care, this was an opportunity for him to be ... Coro.

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Hannibal wrote:
I'm happy that the movement is causing discussion on topics. I just wish they would learn that camping out a illegally in a public space is not going to advance anything except labeling of the movement. If the tea party and the occupy wall street movement ever realize they are talking about basically the same thing and joined forces? Wow things would have to change.


I'm curious about this and how you see them as joining forces, because as I see it, they're talking about the same thing but from opposing views.


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Bank of America drops the fee.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/01/ba ... ?hpt=hp_t2


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