The Glade 4.0

Saying something again does not actually make it true, Hannibal.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

That does not avoid the tax, it shifts the tax to other people. The tax itself still exists.

For an example of actually avoiding a Federal tax: If I don't make enough money, I don't pay income tax at all. I have avoided the tax.



Having failed to demonstrate that you can avoid the tax, I'll simply reiterate the point that you're advocating a tax to exist. If you exist in the US, you're obligated to the tax.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

You shifted the goal posts. You said "how do you avoid the tax", and I told you. To avoid the overall tax, you have to win elections and get your representatives in congress.



Which is exactly what I said. If I don't make enough, I can apply and get Medicaid. I will then have the coverage I need to avoid the tax.



I didn't fail to demonstrate it, you failed to understand it.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

There is no lack of understanding on my end regarding your point.

Shifting a burden of a tax is not avoiding a tax. It's pushing it off onto other people.

Demonstrate how you can exist in this country, and not be obliged to the tax imposed by the healthcare bill. You have failed to do so. You have demonstrated a method with which to fulfill the obligation of the tax, not a method to avoid it.

Perhaps the lack of understanding is yours.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

DFK - in the post I responded to, you only said it could not be avoided, and it looked to me like you were talking about an individual person. If someone goes on medicare, *THEY* (caps for emphasis) avoid the tax. That's how you do it. I answered your question. Now you have shifted the goal posts.

If I live in this country, I am not obliged to pay this tax if I am on medicaid or if I am properly insured, correct?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

False.

You are paying the tax by acquiring health insurance.


The tax isn't just the dollars Monty, it's the obligation. It's essentially an either/or statement: pay us money OR buy insurance.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Et tu Brute? Do I have to say it 3 times for the truth squad to support it?

It's being broken down into easily digestable portions and the truth is very hard to ignore at this point. The points are cited and supporting information is provided. Really a lot of us have nuked this topic from orbit, just to be sure.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

No I'm not. I'm paying for my health insurance, possibly through a private entity or a public one. A premium is not a tax. It might be *like* a tax, in your *opinion*, but it is not, in fact, a tax.

If I am on medicaid, I am not paying the tax by acquiring something. I am getting covered for free.




No, it's just the dollars. Don't expand the definition to fit your argument.

I agree that they are saying "get insurance or pay this tax. If you don't pay this tax, you will be fined". However, we are mixing all those things up, and it's inaccurate.

1) If you have insurance, you don't have to pay anything you aren't already paying. You current premiums don't suddenly become a tax, unless you want to extend the definition of what constitutes a tax to something ludicrous.

2) If you buy insurance from a private company, it's not a tax. The money is going to a private entity, and not the government.

3) If you aren't paying anything for your insurance (medicaid), then you aren't paying *anything* - tax or otherwise.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I don't need to.



One of two listed definitions given. Therefore, if you purchase the insurance, you are fulfilling the second definition. If you instead pay the money, you are fulfilling the first definition.

Either way, it's a tax.



The tax is therefore an either/or situation; one that cannot be avoided.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

That this statement came from you is the funniest thing of all.

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The Dude abides.

Is there any purpose to your post what so ever, Screeling, but to flame me? You know, I get a lot of flak on this board for having an inflammatory posting style, but posts like yours are numerous and obnoxious, and don't do anything to contribute to our discussion or the tone around here.

DFK - your second definition is not the proper context. It's taxing to carry this log, or "I find screeling's posts to be taxing" is a more accurate read of that definition.

Stay in the context we are using. We are talking about government taxes - when the government collects money from it's citizens for the purposes of funding government services.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Kettle? This is Pot. You're black.

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African American, please.

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The Dude abides.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Then scold Oberon!

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You're looking ugly today!

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The Dude abides.

Melatonin endowed... stop insulting Caucasian descendants from Africa currently in the US.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Suffice it to say, passing a kidney stone would likely be far less painful for the American economy and healthcare system.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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LMAO, I was thinking this as well.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I repent!

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The Dude abides.

Taly cracking the whip. Hmm, I'm not as turned on as I thought I was. Taly, you need to practice your BSDM more.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

/volunteers

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Holy shitsnacks!

Ahem. It's BDSM. Or is this a potato/po-tah-toe thing?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Wow my brain still read it as BDSM. Actually to quote Worf "That IS sex"

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill