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Asteroid to pass closer to Earth than the moon

An aircraft carrier-sized asteroid, a little over four football fields in diameter, is heading toward Earth and it will pass closer to our planet than the moon.

NASA has classified the asteroid as a “potentially hazardous object” and it will pass to within .8 lunar distances on November 8. It is the closest approach to Earth of an object this size in over 30 years.

What would happen if an asteroid this size crashed into Earth?

It would result in a 4,000 megaton blast, magnitude 7.0 earthquake and - if it falls into the ocean - could cause a 70-foot high tsunami within 60 miles of the crash site, according to an expert at Purdue University.

However, this space rock poses no threat of an Earth collision for at least the next 100 years, according to NASA’s Near Earth Object Program.

So what’s the big deal?

Encounters of objects this large this close to our planet won't happen again until the year 2028 when an asteroid will pass near Earth to within .6 lunar distances.

NASA plans to study the asteroid with the Goldstone radar antennas in California’s Mojave Desert. Goldstone antennas are very sensitive radio telescopes used to investigate quasars, radar mapping of planets and comets.

Scientists plan to reconstruct the shape of the asteroid with a resolution as fine as 13 feet (4 meters) using the antennas. Several days of high resolution operations are also scheduled at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico.

It will also provide a rare opportunity for amateur astronomers to directly observe an asteroid with optical telescopes.

The asteroid will approach Earth from a sunward direction and it will be a daylight object until the time of its closest approach on November 8. The best time to see the asteroid will be after the hours of 4 pm EST (21:00 UTC).


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We don't have any deep core drillers anymore because of the moratorium on offshore drilling! We're doomed!

Oh well, at least i"ll finally get my cross-hilted faux flame lightsaber and pseudo-wookie buddy.

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We don't have any deep core drillers anymore because of the moratorium on offshore drilling! We're doomed!


They're just unemployed. If we send them to this asteroid, we're saving the world AND creating jobs. Woohoo!

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But clearly, once we eliminate this asteroid threat, it will eliminate jobs. We need to find a way to send more asteroids hurtling towards our planet in order to put asteroid drillers back to work!

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yeah but what if they just tell us to #### off because they lost their day jobs. Also the current government might balk at them never wanting to pay taxes again-ever.

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Sending deep core drillers to this asteroid doesn't help the US economy, it's just another example of off-shoring.

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Asteroid Chippers Local #135 will be sending individuals with pick axes to all of the asteroids in the galaxy with a potential to impact Earth. Any other attempts to manipulate these objects by outside organizations will be considered a violation of contract and will be dealt with justly and harshly.


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They're just unemployed. If we send them to this asteroid, we're saving the world AND creating jobs. Woohoo!

Critics of Keynesian economics like to call this the "smash-an-asteroid-into-earth fallacy".

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State Governors start to send drillers, but then the President insists it's Federal jurisdiction and sues to stop them...meanwhile the company the President hired to do the job went bankrupt after receiving bail-out $$$.

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Hrm...if it strikes the earth early enough on the 8th it'll save me having to move...

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The asteroid ends up striking earth because Greenpeace sued to stop the mission until an enviormental impact study could be completed.

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The asteroid ends up striking earth because Greenpeace sued to stop the mission until an enviormental impact study could be completed.


I see what you did there.

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I say we launch senators at it. They won't be able to help, but they'll die in the harsh environs of space.

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Instead of drillers, lets send up propulsion specialists, put it into orbit around the earth, and save it for the next whacko dictator/tyrant we need to liberate a country from. Of course there may be some civilian casualties, but we seem to be okay with those lately.

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We could probably break it into chunks. I don't think we need 4,000 megatons for just one dictator.

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Micheal wrote:
Instead of drillers, lets send up propulsion specialists, put it into orbit around the earth, and save it for the next whacko dictator/tyrant we need to liberate a country from. Of course there may be some civilian casualties, but we seem to be okay with those lately.

Ah. The McCoy strategy. Operation Blackstaff. I approve.

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You realize that they become far less effective once you put them in orbit.

Much of the energy released from an asteroid impact is due to the velocity (mass*velocity=force). An incoming projectile hitting earth directly has a much higher relative velocity. Once you put it in orbit, it loses a big part of its relative velocity to our planet. What velocity they do have will be used up on reentry, as orbital objects with a forced orbital decay are going to take a very oblique atmospheric entry path, burning up a lot of their mass and suffering a lot of decelleration from atmospheric drag.

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While based soundly on physics, your conclusion is incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event

This object did not strike the surface. Instead, friction from moving around within the Earth's atmosphere heated the object up. The different components of the object expanded at different rates (as different materials do when heated) and caused it to explode in mid-air.

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Estimates of the energy of the blast range from 5 to as high as 30 megatons of TNT (21–130 PJ), with 10–15 megatons of TNT (42–63 PJ) the most likely—roughly equal to the United States' Castle Bravo thermonuclear bomb tested on March 1, 1954, about 1,000 times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, and about one-third the power of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated.


There are other possible explanations for Tunguska besides the air burst of a large meteor, that just happens to be the most plausible. That it is plausible is what is most relevant here. Such large air bursts can and do happen, and they can be in the city-destroying nuclear weapon range. It is at this juncture that I should point out that Little Boy exploded a quarter of a mile in the air. It wasn't what most people would consider to be even remotely close to the ground.

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Corolinth wrote:
While based soundly on physics, your conclusion is incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event

This object did not strike the surface. Instead, friction from moving around within the Earth's atmosphere heated the object up. The different components of the object expanded at different rates (as different materials do when heated) and caused it to explode in mid-air.

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Estimates of the energy of the blast range from 5 to as high as 30 megatons of TNT (21–130 PJ), with 10–15 megatons of TNT (42–63 PJ) the most likely—roughly equal to the United States' Castle Bravo thermonuclear bomb tested on March 1, 1954, about 1,000 times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, and about one-third the power of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated.


There are other possible explanations for Tunguska besides the air burst of a large meteor, that just happens to be the most plausible. That it is plausible is what is most relevant here. Such large air bursts can and do happen, and they can be in the city-destroying nuclear weapon range. It is at this juncture that I should point out that Little Boy exploded a quarter of a mile in the air. It wasn't what most people would consider to be even remotely close to the ground.


While this can happen, it is neither reliable, nor controllable. If attempting to destroy specific dictators, it would be inconvenient to have your asteroid explode over Seattle on its way to Beijing. (another reason this might not be an ideal method of assassination.)

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My post was regarding the effectiveness of a meteor placed in orbit for causing large amounts of damage to the Earth, not its efficacy in eliminating dictators.

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Corolinth wrote:
My post was regarding the effectiveness of a meteor placed in orbit for causing large amounts of damage to the Earth, not its efficacy in eliminating dictators.


I don't think they want to cause large amounts of damage to earth. Just specific parts of earth.

Most rocks falling from space burn up without incident, and very little (if anything) remains to hit the ground, anyway.

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Corolinth wrote:
My post was regarding the effectiveness of a meteor placed in orbit for causing large amounts of damage to the Earth, not its efficacy in eliminating dictators.


OK Sephiroth. :neko:

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Either way Coro, a significant portion of the energy released --either at Tunguska or in an actual impact scenario comes from the relative velocity. If that energy is converted into an airburst or a physical impact with terra firma, there is less energy as a whole being converted into destructive heat, shock, etc.


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Some hastily gathered numbers from the web (not fact checked, nor have I done the math myself)

The shuttle in low earth orbit travels at 27,880 KPH or about 7700 m/s

Typical asteroid impact velocity is 17000 m/s and for comets its 51,000 m/s

Since energy = (1/2)mv^2 it comes out to something like an order of magnitude different coming in from LEO compared to an asteroid impacting the earth directly, without slowing to orbit.


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