The Glade 4.0

Well it seems to me that Elmo and Hannibal were discussing they would not be anywhere near these people unless they were armed. The reverse of that would be the farther away from the protestors they were the less likely to be armed. No idea why you threw the Tea Party into the discussion. My point was that the likelihood of being assualted/etc at an OWS event is probably analogous to the general population.

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Ok, first of all they are not just standing there behind the netting, they're trying to push it back; you can see the cops in the blue trying to keep it in place. The supervisor (that's why he's in a white shirt) shows up and sprays. If they were being told to move becuase they were blocking people or for some other reason, and were sprayed because they didn't comply, no, it's not assault then either. Just because they aren't engaged in a violent riot does no mean they get to stand there and refuse to move, or try to shove the netting out of the way. I'm not interested in another long-ass back and forth about use of force policies; the fact of the matter is that you don't really know what's happening there, you're just taking what's being fed to you by the guy that edited in all the little white prompts at face value because you want him to have just walked up and sprayed them for no reason.



According to you, that's what's happening. I'm not likely to trust what someone decided to slap on YouTube as the whole story in any of those cases, especially given how large the protests are and how little the camera can capture at any one time. You're assuming that's what's happening, and it may be in some cases, but for damn sure not all of them. I'm absolutely certain, however, that this huge crowd of people is just being perfectly nice and peaceful and it's just being a loudmouth. After all, no one would ever selectively put videos on YouTube, would they?

More importantly, the fact that there are YouTube videos of supposed assaults by the cops in NYC does not mean that the police, in general, are most likely to be assaulting OWS protestors. There aren't going to be many videos of the reverse because it's for the most part OWS protestors taking the videos and selecting the ones they want on YouTube to make themselves look better.

Furthermore, NYC is just ONE city where this is taking place. Apprently in Baltimore the police union asked the city to extend the protest permit, and in Cleveland they were giving the protestors blankets.

Let's not try to dress up our preconcieved notions and assumption-laden video analysis as any sort of realistic probability assessment of who is likely to assault who, shall we? Riots are **** dangerous, and frightening to try to control; if you think there's really very many cops that actually want to have to deal with one, you've lost your mind, and going up and spraying or batoning people for no reason is a good way to provoke one.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Ditto; I know this is one issue on which we'll make no headway (unlike all the other issues on which we Gladers manage to reach agreement!).

I saw what looks like the police trying to put up a barricade and protesters interfering. Looks like the spray deterred the protesters without the use of lethal, or even harmful, force.

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Generally, people that CCW do so habitually, (as, I believe, Elmo has stated in this thread) so there is really little reason to believe that "the farther away from the protestors they were the less likely to be armed".

I'd be willing to bet that they aren't even close. Just a quick random look, Sherrill, NY (pop. 3,147) had one rape in the last eight years, Little Falls (city), New York (pop. 5,188) had 0 in the 5 years I could quickly see, and Adams, NY (pop. 1,676) had 0 in the nine years listed.

No idea, really? Perhaps because they're both recent protest movements, and perhaps because people have compared/contrasted the Tea Party and OWS in this thread multiple times, might that be why I made the comparison? Now, why someone would bring up a "Frat Party" in comparison to a political protest...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Cool, now relocate those into a major city and we have an analogy.


Since you brough it up, did someone in this thread say the Tea Party is a bunch of criminals or are you carrying baggage?

As far as my comparison goes I used it because it is as valid a comparison as the Tea Party (actually based on the demographics it is probably a closer comparison than Tea Party members).

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Heheh, talk about moving the goalposts. It's your analogy bud.
I believe it was:
In a "community" of this size what is the standard number of rapes in the same given timeframe for a city of equivalent size?

Not

In a "community" of this size what is the standard number of rapes in the same given timeframe for a city of equivalent size relocated into a major city?



I don't recall bringing up the Tea Party in this thread.



You really believe that it's a valid comparison? A Frat Party, and Occupy Wall Street, really? OK, if that's how you want to characterize OWS, I'll let you go with that, and attempt to make the leap from "city of equivalent size" to "frat party" all on your own.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

There is a 100% chance of either one of us being armed regardless of our distance to an OWS protest.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I hope that 100% means "unless we're drinking."

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No I stay hydrated at all times.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Safety first!

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No laws about drinking and guns here in Pa. We've both had a beer or two at a bar both armed.

Hell last night I was making a shelter for the capitalist group at Occupy Philly armed with power tools and had a (single) beer. Hungry as hell though 8 hours cutting and nailing after 8 hours work and 2 hours stuck in traffic.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

That's all I was asking

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That cop was a jerk.

http://www.thenation.com/article/164348 ... all-street


Guess what? Following his brilliant move to leave his job, borrow $35,000 and pursue a Masters Degree in "Puppetry", he joins OWS. There's no hope for some people.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

That guy is an idiot.
So its Wall Street's fault that he quit his job to pursue a bullshit degree only to return looking for his old job which was *gasp* no longer there after 3 years? Mind boggling.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Sounds like he's got a hand up a puppets ***, and his head up his own. His MFA must have had a required contortion curriculum.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Umm... I believe the correct term is: "Puppeteering"

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Actually, I checked ...

The University of Connecticut doesn't offer any degrees in Puppetry. They offer several MFAs, which are terminal degrees. Going over the curriculum requirements for that MFA, I found that almost all of their MFAs had a thesis requirement; so, I hopped onto the thesis and dissertation search database us professor types have access to and determined ...

He $35,000 for a real degree. My copy of his thesis will arrive sometime in the next few weeks (pending his release). However, the abstract and bibliography demonstrate some pretty solid scholarship.

In any case, I really wish you guys would stop this whole "useless" degree bullshit.

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Ok, so the rest of us lowly peons don't have access to that, obviously....it would be nice if you didn't act so condescending on our determination of "useless degree bullshit" just because we aren't profs with access to that crap and the inclination to go searching and order a copy of the guys thesis.
Can't you just share what you found without trying to make the rest of us look like useless morons?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

How does it make you look like a moron when I used my available resources to find out what degree he actually got? Or that he had to write a thesis to get it? Because I said I wished you guys would stop with the useless degree stuff? You can find out his degree requirements from the University of Connecticut website. Their entire graduate catalog and the course requirements for their degree offerings are available on their public website.

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Master! Master! Where's the dreams that I've been after. Master! Master! Promised only lies!

*bangs head*

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

The Puppet Arts Program
Department of Dramatic Arts
University of Connecticut
M.F.A. Degree


Dash:
That's the first thing that came to mind for me too. Perhaps he thought that was how George Soros got where he is...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

If you can't leverage a $35,000 or more $ degree into a good enough paying job that would allow you to handily pay off your student loans, it's a useless degree.

But, hey, go ahead and tell me all about how failure is the new success.

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Vindicarre:

Yeah, that's not a degree in puppetry. That's an MFA with a focus in Puppet Arts. I looked through the catalog, read the page, and determined ...

Holy ****, it's a legit degree.

Taskiss:

So, how many of your children did tell not to go to college?

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