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You'll find, if you care to look, is that this guy left a full-time position as an Elementary School Drama Teacher at a public school. He should have been thanking his lucky stars that his school had that position and that he held it, rather than becoming frustrated enough with "class sizes, limited resources and bureaucracy" that he left to pursue a specialization that didn't significantly broaden his career possibilities. To compound his "wisdom" he came right back to the public school system he'd left because of "class sizes limited resources and bureaucracy".



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Nope, that list indeed requires a significant amount of non-puppet-related work. Masters degrees take 36 semester hours (30 hours of class time + 6 hours of thesis/capstone work). Of those 30 hours, 15 or so are generally required courses that generally applicable to but not specifically related to your degree path. In the case of this degree, that's the 5 classes in the middle of the list which involve Directing, Scriptwriting, etc. Making the work in those classes specifically involve puppetry is solely at the discretion of the student; and to pass them, they will have demonstrate professional level competency in those areas as performance arts individuals.

So, no, the degree isn't useless and that course listing includes all courses accredited for the degree by the University, not all the required courses.

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I see a specialized degree that the guy hasn't made useful.



I don't think you can say that even. I'd be willing to bet that if he actually learned something with the advanced degree he's that much better teacher. His students probably are getting something more out of it, even if he isn't.


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Why you insist on responding to my posts by throwing the word "useless" into the conversation, I can't fathom.

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Nope, that list indeed requires a significant amount of non-puppet-related work. Masters degrees take 36 semester hours (30 hours of class time + 6 hours of thesis/capstone work). Of those 30 hours, 15 or so are generally required courses that generally applicable to but not specifically related to your degree path. In the case of this degree, that's the 5 classes in the middle of the list which involve Directing, Scriptwriting, etc. Making the work in those classes specifically involve puppetry is solely at the discretion of the student; and to pass them, they will have demonstrate professional level competency in those areas as performance arts individuals.

So, no, the degree isn't useless and that course listing includes all courses accredited for the degree by the University, not all the required courses.
Fairly certain the word useless isn't in that post.

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In fact, Vindicarre, I haven't used that word in any direct response to you at all.

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A person's motivation and personal values are much more important than whatever degree they get. Some people are content with getting drunk with friends or playing WoW all day, and they only went to college because they were supposed to.


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Something being "useless" isn't the same as something being worthless.

If you don't use something for it's intended purpose, it's useless, according to the definition I've read. Now, given the context of the folks "occupying and griping"... the ones referenced as the topic of this discussion... their degrees are useless. They wanted to have good paying jobs and were willing to invest time and money, and are now complaining that the good paying jobs haven't materialized.

They're the ones classifying their degrees as useless.

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Nope, that list indeed requires a significant amount of non-puppet-related work. Masters degrees take 36 semester hours (30 hours of class time + 6 hours of thesis/capstone work). Of those 30 hours, 15 or so are generally required courses that generally applicable to but not specifically related to your degree path. In the case of this degree, that's the 5 classes in the middle of the list which involve Directing, Scriptwriting, etc. Making the work in those classes specifically involve puppetry is solely at the discretion of the student; and to pass them, they will have demonstrate professional level competency in those areas as performance arts individuals.

So, no, the degree isn't useless and that course listing includes all courses accredited for the degree by the University, not all the required courses.



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http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/11/ ... rce=co2hog

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Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent.
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http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/11/07/occupy-dc-goons-push-elderly-woman-down-stairs

Elderly woman pushed down the stairs...if you watch the video, it doesn't look like it was the protesters, it looks like it was a security guard pushing the crowd forward.

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Nope, that list indeed requires a significant amount of non-puppet-related work. Masters degrees take 36 semester hours (30 hours of class time + 6 hours of thesis/capstone work). Of those 30 hours, 15 or so are generally required courses that generally applicable to but not specifically related to your degree path. In the case of this degree, that's the 5 classes in the middle of the list which involve Directing, Scriptwriting, etc. Making the work in those classes specifically involve puppetry is solely at the discretion of the student; and to pass them, they will have demonstrate professional level competency in those areas as performance arts individuals.

So, no, the degree isn't useless and that course listing includes all courses accredited for the degree by the University, not all the required courses.



Reading is hard.
You see Vindicarre's name in that post anywhere?

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You see Vindicarre's name in that post anywhere?

Heh, doesn't matter. You quoted yourself and stated that your quote did not contain said word.


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You see Vindicarre's name in that post anywhere?

Heh, doesn't matter. You quoted yourself and stated that your quote did not contain said word.


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You see Vindicarre's name in that post anywhere?
Heh, doesn't matter. You quoted yourself and stated that your quote did not contain said word.
I did. And it contains that word, which is why I qualified the post (with the next one) instead of editing. Even I make mistakes.

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Khross wrote:
Masters degrees take 36 semester hours (30 hours of class time + 6 hours of thesis/capstone work). Of those 30 hours, 15 or so are generally required courses that generally applicable to but not specifically related to your degree path.

Interesting. My Master's program was at least 48 hours by my fuzzy memory, but seems it was really around 60 hours. I am pretty sure it was at 15 hours a semester, though like I said its fuzzy and that could be what I chose to take and not what was required.... Studio (6 hours) + Theory (3 hours) + 2 other classes of 3 hours each.

That of course is assuming you came into the program with a relevant under graduate degree and didn't have to spend 1-2 years doing Post Bacc to catch up.


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Khross wrote:
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You see Vindicarre's name in that post anywhere?
Heh, doesn't matter. You quoted yourself and stated that your quote did not contain said word.
I did. And it contains that word, which is why I qualified the post (with the next one) instead of editing. Even I make mistakes.

I know, just teasing.


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Ladas wrote:
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Masters degrees take 36 semester hours (30 hours of class time + 6 hours of thesis/capstone work). Of those 30 hours, 15 or so are generally required courses that generally applicable to but not specifically related to your degree path.

Interesting. My Master's program was at least 48 hours by my fuzzy memory, but seems it was really around 60 hours. I am pretty sure it was at 15 hours a semester, though like I said its fuzzy and that could be what I chose to take and not what was required.... Studio (6 hours) + Theory (3 hours) + 2 other classes of 3 hours each.

That of course is assuming you came into the program with a relevant under graduate degree and didn't have to spend 1-2 years doing Post Bacc to catch up.
That's really weird, seeing as how full time is 9 hours for Graduate Students, and most universities in the U.S. cap graduate course loads at 12 hours. Were you at a Quarter School?

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No, semesters. Keep in mind though, this was 10 years ago, and my degree program is typically the oddball when it comes curriculum.

The undergraduate degree at the university was 142 or 144 hours, depending on whether you earned the BA or BS, respectively. Additionally, there was no "minor" path in this degree, since there weren't enough available elective hours to qualify.

For the Grad program, I do know there is no way you could complete the degree on time taking only 9 hours a semester.... from memory again. The two "every semester" classes covered the 9 hours, and I know we had at least 1 other required class type per semester. I also know at least 1 semester I took 15 hours ( I really think it was all semesters, but I can't recall the specifics of each class and when I took it with others).


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Ladas:

PM me a little more information, cause what you're saying isn't making sense in any university system I've worked for ...

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just thinking there's more information than you want on the forum in general.

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Just asked one of our interns... its still a 60 hour degree program. You can of course opt to take 3 years to complete, but its considered a 2 year grad program.


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Ladas wrote:
Just asked one of our interns... its still a 60 hour degree program. You can of course opt to take 3 years to complete, but its considered a 2 year grad program.
That's 6 terms at 10 hours per term average then.

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90% of the people that went through when I was there were done in 2 years. Its considered a 2 year program, as part of the 4+2 professional degree path, as opposed to the 5 year bachelor program option.


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Just noting for the record: I think the Occupy movement is well on its way to the gutter now. Increasingly, the only ones left are the actual radicals, the thugs, the street kids, and a dwindling handful of 60s-era old folks who haven't fully tweaked to the shift in tone. Put a fork in it, 'cuz this **** is done.


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Just noting for the record: I think the Occupy movement is well on its way to the gutter now. Increasingly, the only ones left are the actual radicals, the thugs, the street kids, and a dwindling handful of 60s-era old folks who haven't fully tweaked to the shift in tone. Put a fork in it, 'cuz this **** is done.



I hope they soldier on! Just gives me more examples of failure to show folks.

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