The Glade 4.0

You fool. Those codes of conduct are in place because the institutions in question know the acts being discussed are socially unacceptable, and they seek to insulate themselves from public scrutiny. It is exactly because your position is an anathema to the majority that these policies meant to protect the minority are put in place.

Good show of demonstrating that in addition to your low moral fiber diet, your brain tissue is also unusually soft.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Breaking News: Joe Paterno fired.

Everybody can act tough on the Internet. X, just tell them you'd rip his head off and stuff it down a drain. Most everyone will cheer and declare you a capital fellow, and this will all be over.

Hate to say it but I understand Xeqs point of view on this. Its sad that the fear of litigation, hell that the fact that there is a real possibility of having your life ruined just for doing the right thing. To have to sit in an open court and watch everything you worked for in your life handed to a ****ing scumbag because a jury of your peers didn't like the fact you might have thrown one punch too many in getting him off the child.

Not trying to preach but this mentality is why castle doctrine, good Samaritan laws etc are so important. When decent people have to pause cause of a real possibility their good actions will ruin them, society has more issues then the old man diddling a boy.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Nobody here is playing the role of Internet Tough Guy. The discussion is about the contemptibility of a person who would condone a child rape or murder via inaction and failure to report the crime to police. You should actually follow the thread before commenting.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

If any institution had a code that said you could be fired for reporting something like that to the police god help them in the ensuing lawsuit afterwards.

Defense:Your honor and members of the jury we fired him for reporting a child rape to the police.

Jury: We award double what was asked for.

I don't think anyone would really blame someone for not physically attacking another in this situation if you don't have the physical skill or training. However to completely ignore it steps over the line of decency. FFS step back and make an anonymous phone call to the cops and say it is happening.

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I met this six-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face and, the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil

I did follow the thread, so you know where you can shove your snarky commentary.

May no act of ours bring shame
To one heart that loves thy name...

/mourn

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When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?

Not at all.

It's kind of a curious thing, you see. You're almost half-right; you're also assuredly at least 50% wrong. It works like this ...

As a coach of an intercollegiate athletic team, Title IX compliance requires Joe Paterno to act as a "first reporter" in cases deliberate harm to children (this provision includes child molestation). The requirement here is Federal. Joe Paterno must report any events witnessed or allegations (by witnesses) reported to him to an appropriate authority.

Well, Pennsylvania State University, as Joe Paterno's contractual employer (remember the contractual part) ... Pennsylvania State University has some say in who Joe Paterno can report these things to on their premises, especially if they involve another employee. There are all sorts of confidentiality and privacy and integrity issues (moral, statutory, and otherwise at conflict but present) here. The long and short of it is ...

His contract with the State of Pennsylvania vis-a-vis its agent Pennsylvania State University dictates that the appropriate to report such things to is the Athletic Director. Joe Paterno ostensibly did this. (I'm not going to comment on guilt or anything so ... don't go there). Per his contract with his employer, this was the correct course of action.

However, Title IX compliance says he has to tell the State Police and possibly Federal law enforcement (FBI).

He's **** no matter what he does. He can keep his job and go to prison. He can get fired and go to prison because he now also can't afford the lawyers to defend himself.

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Only a person absolutely lacking in both character and morals would allow the possibility of a miscarriage of justice to deter them from doing a thing they know to be right. My conscience would never allow me to enjoy those material things, knowing that I had only maintained their possession by my silent approval of the rape or murder of a child. People who could are figuratively beneath dirt, and can get there soon enough literally.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I understand that Title IX has some bearing on an issue related, but that's not the issue being discussed.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I never advocated completely ignoring it. I know someone is going to quote my original post here and quote "keep my mouth shut" as meaning never tell anyone ever, but I honestly meant that I'd report it to the person the contract stipulated instead of to the police.

Yes, I would not intervene in the actual crime. I'd report it to the "proper authority" as stipulated in my employment agreement. I would be too afraid of being hurt or killed by the violent criminal to intervene immediately. Anyone who wants to call me a coward for that is free to do so, I've made peace with that. I take more issue with the vitriol associated with my stance on reporting the crime to the contract-stipulated individual, instead of the police. I do not think it is morally reprehensible for someone to not put their career on the line just to report it to the police instead of to the person the University has designated.

Don't look now, but I think the Internet Tough Guy you were so worried about just showed up.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

See, you actually are advocating completely ignoring it, as the person the University has designated has a vested interest in... well... completely ignoring it, and worse, covering it up. So really, not only are you ignoring the rape you witnessed, you are enabling future rapes as well. Good work, your citizenship is exceptional. I mean, for all the help you've given the child, you may as well just agree to fluff the rapist to make sure he's good and hard for penetration.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

And this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Hot dog, you just fricking illustrated my point PERFECTLY!!!! Nowhere in the quote did I say I was going to do anything tough, at all. I didn't say I was going to shove your snarky commentary anywhere. rofl, thank you.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'm glad Xeq is being honest here. I know there are others that feel the same way. I just can't understand how a person could not intervene and show their face in public after the fact.

I know for a fact, I couldn't face my wife nor my parents if I did such a thing. I certainly couldn't face my friends. I don't think I could look in the mirror.

/sarcasm on

Wow, I guess he told me.

/sarcasm off

And personal sources at Penn State say that Paterno was fired for ... breach of contract.

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A) might be willing to murder a child
B) You are a grown man
C) Simply thinking "I can't take this guy" is a legitimate estimate, but not just because he's raping a kid.




No, there's some sort of vague assertion that maybe possibly Paterno might have been required to report it to his boss. How you're getting the rest of it is beyond me.

As for following the code of conduct, I'm still baffled as to how you think that following some Title IX or any other "code of conduct" is more important than seeing that a child rapist gets prosecuted. Thinking you can't win a fight is one thing, worrying more about your career is another. "The victim is already victimized" is utter bullshit; do you really think the rapist will stop with that incident?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

PRetty much everyone here is only talking about fighting the guy if, for some reason, the police cannot be summoned to the scene in time to do anything about it. Not just jumping the guy in a fit of righteous anger.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Anyone who's been paying attention knows that he had to be fired, if for no other reason than damage control by the University. The reason they chose for their official documentation is likely the choice that gives them the most legal leeway.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Firing Joe Paterno for breach of contract is a strong indicator he met the legal requirements mandated by Federal law as a First Reporter; consequently, any questions about his moral culpability should seriously dissipate.

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I'm sorry. I didn't realize morals ran parallel to federal mandates. My bad. I guess I'll have to rethink my entire personal philosophy.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20