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Hopefully not anything dangerous. Not a brown recluse?


It looks pretty tame, but...differences can be very subtle, and the brown recluse google image search results scare me.

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Too blurry to really tell. But if you step on it, I can tell you what kind of spider it is.

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Try doing the taste test on it.


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The kind that hasn't been squashed yet for some bizarre reason.

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Definitely a blink spider. Have fun with that.

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Well I've been getting brown spiders occasionally and this time I figured, why not take a pic to find out if my limbs will fall off if I get bit.


damn cheap point and shoot cameras.


I need a good SLR. Or at least something much better than this..




I dont know what a "blink spider" is.

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Looks a lot like a brown recluse, but I cannot see markings on the cephalothorax because the photo is so blurry.

Does it look like this?

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This website should be infinitely helpful: http://spiders.ucr.edu/recluseid.html


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I dont know what a "blink spider" is.

Just a dumb D&D-ish joke. It's like a blink dog. Only, you know ... with spiders.

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I dont know what a "blink spider" is.
Just a dumb D&D-ish joke. It's like a blink dog. Only, you know ... with spiders.
Don't forget about the phase spiders.

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LadyKate wrote:
Looks a lot like a brown recluse, but I cannot see markings on the cephalothorax because the photo is so blurry.

Does it look like this?

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This website should be infinitely helpful: http://spiders.ucr.edu/recluseid.html


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The spider looks like a baby compared to that huge thing.


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The abdomen (second segment) looks like it comes to a somewhat pointed tip. All the recluse pics I've seen have very rounded abdomens. But it's hard to tell what's going on in that picture. Can you get a shot looking straight down at its back?

Have you seen it build a web anywhere? If so, it's almost certainly not a recluse

Do you live west of the Rockies? If so, it's definitely not a recluse.

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I see cobwebs near the floor under cabinets in the kitchen and that sort of thing, but nothing major.


I killed the spider shortly after I got a picture--battery was completely gone so I could only get 1.

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Do you live west of the Rockies? If so, it's definitely not a recluse.


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Ah, I should have been more specific. There are other kinds of recluses throughout the southern US, for varying values of "recluse". Brown recluses are exclusive to the southeastern states. The desert recluse in the southwest isn't really a recluse, technically. Are those similarly venomous as a brown recluse? I didn't think they were, but I see here that they're in the Loxosceles family with L. Reclusa (brown recluse), so ... maybe?

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Hard to tell from your pic, but probably THIS.

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Ah, I should have been more specific. There are other kinds of recluses throughout the southern US, for varying values of "recluse". Brown recluses are exclusive to the southeastern states. The desert recluse in the southwest isn't really a recluse, technically. Are those similarly venomous as a brown recluse? I didn't think they were, but I see here that they're in the Loxosceles family with L. Reclusa (brown recluse), so ... maybe?


Fair enough. It appears you're right that there's two separate species, and the ones we have out here are of the "desert" variety. Learn something every day.

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Not true. When my brother was about 5 or 6, living in Rhode Island, he was bit on the face by a brown recluse, and he got incredibly sick.

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A brown recluse bite will do more than make you sick, their venom cause all kinds of tissue and muscle damage around the bite area. If not treated properly and quickly you could lose a a limb to it.
Brown Recluses are alive and well In Arizona.

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Leshani wrote:
A brown recluse bite will do more than make you sick, their venom cause all kinds of tissue and muscle damage around the bite area. If not treated properly and quickly you could lose a a limb to it.
Brown Recluses are alive and well In Arizona.


Yes, he was extra-ordinarily lucky. He was bitten twice on his right cheek in his sleep. He became incredibly ill, and was hospitalized for 2 or 3 days. He made a complete recovery with no lasting damage of any sort.

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Yes, he was extra-ordinarily lucky. He was bitten twice on his right cheek in his sleep. He became incredibly ill, and was hospitalized for 2 or 3 days. He made a complete recovery with no lasting damage of any sort.


Not to be an arse, but sounds like your brother was bitten by a different type. Brown recluse aren't known to inhibit that part of the country, or anywhere close. And bites from brown recluse cause necrosis of the tissue and skin surrounding the bite. They leave nasty craters as the skin literally rots.

Sores from the bite marks can take upward to a year before totally healed. If left untreated, they can require surgery grafting the skin in some cases.


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This is the story as told by both my parents, I remember the incident only because it was the first time I had ever seen either of them really worried. I was 12 at the time, and had to baby-sit my other siblings while Jeremy was at the hospital.

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From the Wiki, bold mine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_recluse

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As suggested by its specific epithet reclusa ("recluse"), the brown recluse spider is rarely aggressive, and actual bites from the species are uncommon. In 2001, more than 2,000 brown recluse spiders were removed from a heavily infested home in Kansas, yet the four residents who had lived there for years were never harmed by the spiders, despite many encounters with them.[11] The spider usually bites only when pressed against the skin, such as when tangled up within clothes, towels, bedding, inside work gloves, etc. Many human victims of brown recluse bites report having been bitten after putting on clothes that had not recently been worn or had been left for many days undisturbed on the floor.

The initial brown recluse bite frequently is not felt and may not be immediately painful, yet such a bite can be serious. However, the fangs of the brown recluse are so tiny they are unable to penetrate most fabric, including socks.[12]

The brown recluse bears a potentially deadly hemotoxic venom. Most bites are minor with no necrosis. However, a small number of clinically-diagnosed brown recluse bites do produce severe dermonecrotic lesions (i.e., necrosis); an even smaller number of clinically-diagnosed brown recluse bites produce severe cutaneous (skin) or viscerocutaneous (systemic) symptoms. In one study of clinically-diagnosed brown recluse bites, the incidence of skin necrosis was 37% and the incidence of systemic illness was 14%.[13] In these instances the bites produced a range of symptoms common to many members of the Loxosceles genus known as loxoscelism, which may be cutaneous (skin) and viscerocutaneous (systemic). In very rare cases, bites can even cause hemolysis (causes Red blood cells to burst).[14]

Most brown recluse spiders' bites do not result in necrosis, let alone systemic effects. When both types of loxoscelism do result, systemic effects may occur before necrosis, as the venom spreads throughout the body in minutes. Debilitated patients, the elderly, and children may be more susceptible to systemic loxoscelism. The systemic symptoms that are most commonly experienced as the result of a brown recluse bite include nausea, vomiting, fever, rashes, and muscle and joint pain. Rarely, such bites can result in hemolysis, thrombocytopenia, disseminated intravascular coagulation, organ damage, and even death.[15] Most fatalities are children under the age of seven[16] or those with a weaker-than-normal immune system.

While it is important to note that the majority of brown recluse spider bites do not result in any symptoms, cutaneous symptoms occur as a result of such bites more frequently than systemic symptoms. In such instances, the bite forms a necrotizing ulcer that destroys soft tissue and may take months to heal, leaving deep scars. These bites usually become painful and itchy within 2 to 8 hours, pain and other local effects worsen 12 to 36 hours after the bite, and the necrosis develops over the next few days.[17] Over time, the wound may grow to as large as 25 cm (10 inches) in extreme cases. The damaged tissue becomes gangrenous and eventually sloughs away.

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Brown recluse aren't known to inhibit that part of the country, or anywhere close. And bites from brown recluse cause necrosis of the tissue and skin surrounding the bite. They leave nasty craters as the skin literally rots.

Woman I know in Vermont was bitten by what she was told was probably a brown recluse about 10 years ago. Skin and underlying tissue rotted in a roundish wound around the bite. Took about 6 months to fully heal and left a nasty scar thereafter. Spider probably got shipped north in a box or something, given how far outside their normal range Vermont is, but it's quite possible for them to hitch a ride and then settle in somewhere.


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Must not have been an African brown recluse.

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Well sure, everyone knows the African brown recluse is non-migratory.


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