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"enjoy stories about orphaned farmboys? tough" lol

interesting chart, I saw a quite a few books/series that I used to read. I may have to pick up a few books from that chart for leisure reading

thanks for sharing

These texts are not science fiction.

1984
Brave New World
The Handmaid's Tale
A Clockwork Orange
Cat's Cradle
Slaughterhouse 5
The Road

These texts are not fantasy.

Frankenstein
"Something Wicked This Way Comes"
Stardust
American Gods
Neverwhere
Watership Down
The Sandman Series
The Watchmen

Hmmms, I just passed the 10% mark. And, whoever compiled the list that became the poster obviously hates Neil Gaiman.

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Anne McCaffrey's Pern series is an odd sort of Sci-Fi, not Fantasy. But that's an easy mistake for someone to make.

Anyway, interactive version of that flowchart here.

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Read 47/100 of that list. And I feel bad for not having read at least 20 more.

Brave New World could be considered SciFi as there are manufactured people in the future.
I'd call Stardust fantasy, and American Gods and Neverwhere fantasyish.

How does he hate Gaiman?

In any event, Gaiman, Pratchett, Stephenson, Martin, Niven and Rothfuss are all on my list of favorite authors. I maybe would have suggested "Guards! Guards!" as a starting place for Pratcett, but eh. I also quite enjoyed "Lucifer's Hammer" on that list. "Snow Crash" was fun, and "The Name of the Wind" was also quite enjoyable.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Brave New World is a dystopian novel; consequently, it's little more than a folktale and was little more than a folktale when it was written. That's not say it's bad or useless, but it's decidedly not science fiction.Because Gaiman writes Gothic Romances for the most part. Vastly more similarities exist between Walpole and Gaiman than exist between Tolkein and Gaiman.

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Well, if one were to be a pedant about it...

I've never engaged in Walpoling activities so I couldn't speak to that. Is there not room for "Modern Fantasy" in the Dewey Decimal System?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Modern Fantasy = Tolkein. I think you mean "Contemporary Fantasy" ?

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This list still lacks The Stars My Destination. Therefore, it still fails at being a top anything of Science Fiction.

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How are you defining Science Fiction, Khross?

The problem comes when you try to use the label Science Fiction to define several aspects of a story.

Science Fiction could refer to any or all of the following:
Setting
How rigidly it follows known scientific principle
Theme

While I agree Brave New World thematically is far more dystopian than say, Red/Blue/Green Mars, and the trappings of future technology are few and far between, there is still some speculative technology there. (some sort of flyer iirc, and pacification projectiles of some sort) But I don't disagree that hanging on to that list by its fingernails.


Clockwork Orange and 1984 both have similar problems.

I think some people probably included them on the list, mostly because they took place 'in the future' when they were written.

FYI these novels were nominated by the general population and then voted on--the selection team then pruned anything of the 'young adult' and 'horror' genre. Perhaps they should have pruned the dystopian stuff.

Still, one might consider these still in the sci-fi category, as thematically they do explore the consequences of technology. That much at least, is very sci-fi.

Well, if one were to be a pedant about it...

"Modern" as in "Set in modern times" as opposed to "set in swords and sorcery". There's nothing "modern" about Tolkein.

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Holy shitsnacks!

The Lord Of The Rings
The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
Ender's Game
The Dune Chronicles
A Song Of Ice And Fire Series
1984
Fahrenheit 451
The Foundation Trilogy
Brave New World
American Gods
The Princess Bride
Wheel of Time
The Wheel Of Time Series
Animal Farm
Neuromancer
Watchmen
I, Robot
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Kingkiller Chronicles
Slaughterhouse-Five
Frankenstein
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
The Handmaid's Tale
The Dark Tower Series
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Stand
Snow Crash
The Martian Chronicles
Cat's Cradle
The Sandman Series
A Clockwork Orange
Starship Troopers
Watership Down
Dragonflight
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
A Canticle for Leibowitz
The Time Machine
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Flowers For Algernon
The War Of The Worlds
The Amber Chronicles
The Belgariad
The Mists Of Avalon
Mistborn Trilogy
Ringworld
The Left Hand Of Darkness
The Silmarillion
The Once And Future King
Neverwhere
Childhood's End
Contact
The Hyperion Cantos
Stardust
Cryptonomicon
World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War
The Last Unicorn
The Forever War
Small Gods:A Novel of Discworld
The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever
The Vorkosigan Saga
Going Postal
The Mote In God's Eye
The Sword Of Truth Series
The Road
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
I Am Legend
The Riftwar Saga
The Sword of Shannara Trilogy
The Conan The Barbarian Series
The Farseer Trilogy
The Time Traveler's Wife
The Way Of Kings
Journey to the Center of the Earth
The Legend Of Drizzt Series
Old Man's War
The Diamond Age
Rendezvous With Rama
The Kushiel's Legacy Series
The Dispossessed
An Ambiguous Utopia
Something Wicked This Way Comes
Wicked
The Malazan Book Of The Fallen series
The Eyre Affair
The Culture Series
The Crystal Cave
Anathem
The Codex Alera Series
Shadow & Claw
The Thrawn Trilogy
Outlander
The Elric Saga
The Illustrated Man
Sunshine
A Fire upon the Deep
The Caves of Steel
The Mars Trilogy
Lucifer's Hammer
Doomsday Book
Perdido Street Station
The Xanth Series
The Space Trilogy

The Lord Of The Rings - Genre defining, but probably overwritten in places
The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy -
Ender's Game hugely spoiled now, still a good read.
The Dune Chronicles - I started this series. just couldn't get into it.
A Song Of Ice And Fire Series
1984
Fahrenheit 451
The Foundation Trilogy - I recently re-read Foundation and realized just how disjointed it can be. Reads unlike anything else on this list that I've read.
Brave New World - Actually one of my favorite books as a teenager.
American Gods
The Princess Bride - do we have to hear about her packing her hats for another 4 pages???!?
The Wheel Of Time Series - overrated in the extreme. I know it has its adherents but I'd rather stick icepicks in my ears.
Animal Farm I'm assuming this fits on the list as Fantasy
Neuromancer
Watchmen
I, Robot
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Kingkiller Chronicles
Slaughterhouse-Five
Frankenstein
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
The Handmaid's Tale - I'm actually not sure how I didn't read this one. every other senior class in my high school had to read it but mine.
The Dark Tower Series
2001: A Space Odyssey not nearly as mind-numbing as the movie.
The Stand
Snow Crash
The Martian Chronicles
Cat's Cradle
The Sandman Series
A Clockwork Orange I love bringing this novel into discussions of religious education Brainwashing of children.
Starship Troopers
Watership Down I ... guess... this is fantasy. the rabbits aren't exactly anthropomorphic, but they've got slightly higher intelligence than real rabbits.
Dragonflight
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
A Canticle for Leibowitz
The Time Machine "oh no.... not morlocks!!!"
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Flowers For Algernon This novel depressed me to no end.
The War Of The Worlds
The Amber Chronicles
The Belgariad considering re-reading this one. It strongly appealed to my significant other when she read it recently. I didn't get that much out of it. Then again, she didn't like the Otherland series so maybe its just her. ;->
The Mists Of Avalon I'm kind of neutral on the rest of the series, though enjoyed this one.
Mistborn Trilogy
Ringworld I felt there was too much in the way of attempts to appeal to young adult males--the sex felt contrived and solely for the purpose of titillation.
The Left Hand Of Darkness
The Silmarillion so... so.... dry.....
The Once And Future King I actually loved this one. My copy disintegrated with multiple readings.
Neverwhere
Childhood's End not terribly memorable.
Contact
The Hyperion Cantos
Stardust
Cryptonomicon
World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War
The Last Unicorn
The Forever War
Small Gods:A Novel of Discworld I find discworld overrated. I've read them, but I don't devour them like I do other books.
The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever
The Vorkosigan Saga
Going Postal
The Mote In God's Eye
The Sword Of Truth Series
The Road
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
I Am Legend
The Riftwar Saga
The Sword of Shannara Trilogy again, overrated.
The Conan The Barbarian Series
The Farseer Trilogy
The Time Traveler's Wife
The Way Of Kings
Journey to the Center of the Earth
The Legend Of Drizzt Series I honestly enjoyed the Cleric Quintet far more that Drizzt. That said, I've read every Drizzt book.
Old Man's War I LOVE this series. my current favorite on this list. I dearly would love to see it made into movies, but I just don't think you could do it justice.
The Diamond Age
Rendezvous With Rama heavy scifi, not for beginners. more hardcore than a lot of this stuff.
The Kushiel's Legacy Series
The Dispossessed
An Ambiguous Utopia
Something Wicked This Way Comes I vaguely remember reading this, but I'll be damned if I could remember what its about even.
Wicked I'm actually going to see the musical in a couple of weeks.
The Malazan Book Of The Fallen series
The Eyre Affair
The Culture Series
The Crystal Cave
Anathem
The Codex Alera Series
Shadow & Claw
The Thrawn Trilogy Zahn actually gets a huge amount of credit for jump-starting Star Wars again. I think most of us would have been happy to have this series be Episodes VII-IX
Outlander
The Elric Saga - On my must-read list.
The Illustrated Man
Sunshine
A Fire upon the Deep
The Caves of Steel *yawn* R. Daneel Olivaw so uninteresting. Technically this series links up the Foundation series along with the Empire Novels, etc.
The Mars Trilogy more hard Sci-Fi.
Lucifer's Hammer
Doomsday Book
Perdido Street Station
The Xanth Series this series just got too silly as time went on
The Space Trilogy

Khross:

What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it.

It's a fairy tale amusingly.

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That's interesting because the characters in the novel tell fairy tales, in fact fairly detailed and lengthy ones.

If memory serves, it's folktales that start the book; the novel itself though is a fairy tale.

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