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The initial assertion was that the general tenor of the posts on the glade leans to the political right.


If I recall correctly, it was that there are more "conservatives" than "liberals".

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Again, tell us why your numbers matter. If you think the established methodology for mining prose is wrong, then tell us why your numbers matter; tell us why they are important, significant, and correct. You see, I haven't set the bar high at all. You've made an assertion; you produced numbers you think support that assertion; and, now, you're simply jumping up and down saying, "I'm right!"

That's called a bare assertion fallacy and a grand case of confirmation bias.

We didn't make the original assertion; we didn't create a table of meaningless numbers and claim it supported our assertion. YOU did that, which means YOU have to pony up and suffer the scrutiny of your napkin math. And when your napkin math fails basic scrutiny, it means you get to say mea culpa.

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You think too hard about this stuff Riov. :P

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The initial assertion was that the general tenor of the posts on the glade leans to the political right.


If I recall correctly, it was that there are more "conservatives" than "liberals".


Heinlein said it better than I ever could, so I'll let him do it:
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Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.


And in that, the Glade certainly attracts more of the second type.

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The initial assertion was that the general tenor of the posts on the glade leans to the political right.


If I recall correctly, it was that there are more "conservatives" than "liberals".

you don't.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5657&p=128001&hilit=leaning#p128001


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Yeah, I guess if by "original" you mean months later than when it was brought up...

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I'm also making no assumptions that 100% of anyone's posts are political. Certainly 100% of my posts in hellfire are not.

Your weighted average includes 100% of the respondents' Hellfire posts. Mathematically speaking, this is exactly the assumption you are making when you assert that your results have validity.

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But short of a more detailed analysis which no one will perform, this is as good an approximation as we're going to get.

It would be equally true to say that it's the worst approximation we're going to get (supposing that you're right that no one will ever perform another analysis). Ordinality is meaningless in a set of 1.

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So unless you can provide better numbers, using the methods you describe, we'll go with my analysis. You can whine about why my numbers are not 100% accurate (and again, something I freely admit) but they're a reasonable approximation given the data we have, and our analysis capabilities.

I don't see any convincing arguments that your analysis is a reasonable approximation. Several major issues have been raised about your methodology and about the methodology of the test upon which your data relies in the first place. You haven't answered any of those issues, that I can tell. The only justification you've given is that "these are the only numbers we have". That really isn't relevant. There is no particular reason, let alone obligation, to "go with" any analysis at all. If the only analysis we have is too flawed to draw meaningful conclusions, then we should still reject that analysis.

But setting aside issues with methodology and data, I'm not convinced that your numbers are even the best approximation possible using said methods and data. You've ignored an entire dimension of the data for no discernible reason.

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I always laugh at how conservatives claim to not want to control people. Sure, conservatives are just fine with you spending your money on whatever you want, as long as those things aren't alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, pornography, gambling, abortion, union membership, or Islam. But other than any of those things, sure, you can spend your money how you want!


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Who are you referring to? Or is this another example of you deciding you know people's thoughts based on your vast experience, and painting with as broad a brush as possible?

You know those are societal values, perhaps Theriove can explain how those should be codified into law for you.

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another example of you deciding you know people's thoughts based on your vast experience


/sagenod

Additionally, if he's referring to the Heinlein quote, I don't think he bothered to comprehend it.

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I just want to say I think it's awesome that I have the highest post count, so **** you!

(I also want to know what our custom titles have to do with anything, since Shuyung included them, but since Commence Primary Ignition is also awesome, I'm not complaining :thumbs: )

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He's just copy/pasting out of the members list, sorted by postcount. Custom title is one of the fields there, so it got grabbed in the copy/paste.

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I always laugh at how conservatives claim to not want to control people. Sure, conservatives are just fine with you spending your money on whatever you want, as long as those things aren't alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, pornography, gambling, abortion, union membership, or Islam. But other than any of those things, sure, you can spend your money how you want!

I say do whatever you want, though if you join a union the owner will have the freedom to fire you.

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The real winner is the member with the lowest post count. :D

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I always laugh at how conservatives claim to not want to control people. Sure, conservatives are just fine with you spending your money on whatever you want, as long as those things aren't alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, pornography, gambling, abortion, union membership, or Islam. But other than any of those things, sure, you can spend your money how you want!


I always laugh at how all conservatives hold the same viewpoints in your silly little world.

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Xequecal wrote:
I always laugh at how conservatives claim to not want to control people. Sure, conservatives are just fine with you spending your money on whatever you want, as long as those things aren't alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, pornography, gambling, abortion, union membership, or Islam. But other than any of those things, sure, you can spend your money how you want!


Not only is this untrue except in a fallacious sense, it's completely **** irrelevant.


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Sure, Muslims are just fine with you spending your money on whatever you want, as long as those things aren't alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, pornography, gambling, abortion, union membership, or Islam. But other than any of those things, sure, you can spend your money how you want!


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The real winner is the member with the lowest post count. :D


Crap.

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Of course, the table is amusingly irrelevant to the discussion at hand; post count has nothing to do with political leaning or ideology.
:roll: Yes. The volume of posts from one side or the other has nothing to do with the overall tenor of the board.
Post volume has nothing to do with "tenor" or "tone" or any other subjective valuation of political leanings. Inasmuch one can aggregate a normative political baseline from the content of this forum, all volume indicates is a propensity to speak. As points of contention are actually rarely political, especially in my case, it seems to me that without some sort of content metric and standardization, you're simply producing numbers to substantiate your own confirmation bias. You think the board leans right because you lean left in some primarily fictive 2 dimensional comparison of personal and economic liberties. Things aren't that simple; this place itself is not that simple. Most importantly, however, the topics of discussion aren't homogeneous at any useful level of abstraction.

So, yes, the table is indeed irrelevant to the discussion at hand.



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Er... why am I 1? Shouldn't I be negative 1?

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Anything within 2 points of an axis is too close to center to be described left or right. As such, you have the entire board leaning center, economically. (or rather, not leaning much at all.) This is pretty much where one would expect any random cross-section of people to be. However, I suspect we do lean very significantly anti-authoritarian.

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However, I suspect we do lean very significantly anti-authoritarian.

Well, sure. The Ranger class that fostered our community is a bunch of hippie woodsmen survivalist militia-types.

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However, I suspect we do lean very significantly anti-authoritarian.

Well, sure. The Ranger class that fostered our community is a bunch of hippie woodsmen survivalist militia-types.


Still, at close to -6 on the Libertarian/Authoritarian axis, I feel like a jackbooted fascist in this place.

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If you only scored in at a -7, we need to firebomb your house.

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