The Glade 4.0

You made the claim that this is poisoning the well.

You need to show it is by showing where the ad states: "Therefore any claims person A makes will be false. "

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

False dilemma. The option to do both is possible.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Should I vote for Ron Paul because Newt has negatives in his past?

Not really a point, I asked the muppet if "poisoning the well' was the answer he was looking for when he asked "what is the point of the primary process of a party?"

No, claims don't end with "?". (<- notice that period, right there at the end of that assertion? That's what ends a claim)

Interestingly, Ron Paul's video ended with a "?" too.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I've been wondering about that for a while myself.

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No but you should factor in Newt's history in your decision making process.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

That's my point. The ad tries to convince me to do something you admit I should not do. It does nothin to tell me why I should vote for Ron Paul other than that Newt has negatives.

I see so the fact that weighing what is going to be new information to some people. This will cause some people to lower Newt in their rankings and perhaps consider Ron Paul. That is the point as he has been majorly dismissed. Along the the lines of suggesting "You've tried the rest - now try the best."

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

The Republican National Committee has decided not to win the next Presidential election. They are letting their candidates go as far and wide as possible to ensure that.

This makes me think that the mess truly is headed downhill and the GOP doesn't want to be in charge when it happens. They want to be the ones to pick up the pieces after it is over.

So, the mudslinging is getting worse and worse and the RNC is encouraging it.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Mudslinging? Pointing out a persons' actual actions is mudslinging?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Whoever wins, we still lose.*



*unless Ron Paul miraculously saves us

Somehow Ron Paul, who has served 12 terms as a Republican Congressman, and who has remained remarkably consistent in his views and policies throughout those 12 terms, is suddenly a tool of the Democratic re-elect Obama campaign?

How does that work? Do you think they paid him a bunch of money behind closed doors to sabotage the Republican primary? Do you think the 24 years he spent representing Republican interests was all just a front while he waited for 2011 to come around so he could help re-elect a Democratic president that all his past policies and political stances would indicate he hates?

What's the deal? Cause the assertion that he is a tool of the Democratic re-elect Obama campaign sounds bat-shit crazy to me, and is enough for me to just dismiss everything else you say as either crazy or trolling.

This is, in my opinion, probably one of the most inciteful posts I've seen. Tbh, I had not considered that.

*Insightful, not inciteful. Dumb mistake on my part.

I guess I should have said "unwitting tool". That better?

Which ad would perform its intented purpose more efffectively?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

If it was an ad saying "Vote for me, I'm Ron Paul", none of the tv stations would air it. /conspiracy

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Its unfortunate the negative sticks with people, but that's the way it is.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Don't be this guy.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

To be honest, I'd enjoy seeing Newt win the primary. His challenge to 7 3-hour unmoderated debates would be pay-per-view material.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Technically there are two of us, so those guys might be more appropriate.

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Why is Ron Paul being singled out here? Prospective nominees are fighting each other for the primary slot, then fighting the Other for the actual election. So it has been, so shall it always be (which, by the way, is why we generally wind up with an extremist; the radicals of each side pick the two guys, who then go for a year trying to convince America that they're actually just moderates, like most of the country). So no, the point is not to fight Obama right now, the point is to win the nomination, then fight Obama.

The Republican slate of potential nominees has been an absolute joke ever since its inception, with only a couple of decent candidates (Paul, for one, and I quite grew to like Huntsman). And the ones with more opportunity to win have insisted that their feet are too unblemished by gunshot wounds, and thus resolved to rectify that deficiency themselves.

My only reason for singling out Ron Paul it because this thread is about a Ron Paul ad. If Newt had put out such an ad, and a thread was started here about it, I'd criticize Newt, too.

Whoever the nominee is, it should be because they stood up and said, "I'm (blank), and this is what I think we need to do." It should not be because a candidate said, "I'm (blank), you should vote for me because (blank) has made mistakes."

*Remember Ronald Reagan's (actually Gaylord Parkinson's) 11th commandment: "Thou shall not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

So is speaking badly of a politician's policy choices acceptable?

This ad didn't touch on Newt as a person (no mention of his numerous affairs). It attacks his policy choices.

You are in effect saying that talking about the negatives is off the table. We can only be shiny happy people when determining who is best for the job. That is, to me, an insane concept.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Seems the majority of the accusations (or whatever they were in that video) were of his activities outside of his public service career...after he left office. That's not a "politician's policy choice". From what I saw, the attacks were on organizations he founded, not him specifically.

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In time, this too shall pass.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... if-he-won/

"Gingrich knows what he'd actually do if he won."