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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:07 am 
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http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-down ... al-111202/

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Swiss Govt: Downloading Movies and Music Will Stay Legal

One in three people in Switzerland download unauthorized music, movies and games from the Internet and since last year the government has been wondering what to do about it. This week their response was published and it was crystal clear. Not only will downloading for personal use stay completely legal, but the copyright holders won’t suffer because of it, since people eventually spend the money saved on entertainment products.

In Switzerland, just as in dozens of other countries, the entertainment industries have been complaining about dramatic losses in revenue due to online piracy.

In a response, the Swiss government has been conducting a study into the impact downloading has on society, and this week their findings were presented.

The overall conclusion of the study is that the current copyright law, under which downloading copyrighted material for personal use is permitted, doesn’t have to change.

Their report begins with noting that when it comes to copying files, the Internet has proven a game-changer. While the photocopier, audio cassette tape and VCR allowed users to make good quality copies of various media, these devices lacked a in-built distribution method. The world-wide web changed all that.

Distribution method or not, the entertainment industries have opposed all these technological inventions out of fear that their businesses would be crushed. This is not the right response according to the Swiss government, which favors the option of putting technology to good use instead of taking the repressive approach.

“Every time a new media technology has been made available, it has always been ‘abused’. This is the price we pay for progress. Winners will be those who are able to use the new technology to their advantages and losers those who missed this development and continue to follow old business models,” the report notes.

The government report further concludes that even in the current situation where piracy is rampant, the entertainment industries are not necessarily losing money. To reach this conclusion, the researchers extrapolated the findings of a study conducted by the Dutch government last year, since the countries are considered to be similar in many aspects.

The report states that around a third of Swiss citizens over 15 years old download pirated music, movies and games from the Internet. However, these people don’t spend less money as a result because the budgets they reserve for entertainment are fairly constant. This means that downloading is mostly complementary.

The other side of piracy, based on the Dutch study, is that downloaders are reported to be more frequent visitors to concerts, and game downloaders actually bought more games than those who didn’t. And in the music industry, lesser-know bands profit most from the sampling effect of file-sharing.

The Swiss report then goes on to review several of the repressive anti-piracy laws and regulations that have been implemented in other countries recently, such as the three-strikes Hadopi law in France. According to the report 12 million was spent on Hadopi in France this year, a figure the Swiss deem too high.

The report further states that it is questionable whether a three-strikes law would be legal in the first place, as the UN’s Human Rights Council labeled Internet access a human right. The Council specifically argued that Hadopi is a disproportionate law that should be repealed.

Other measures such as filtering or blocking content and websites are also rejected, because these would hurt freedom of speech and violate privacy protection laws. The report notes that even if these measures were implemented, there would be several ways to circumvent them.

The overall suggestion the Swiss government communicates to the entertainment industries is that they should adapt to the change in consumer behavior, or die. They see absolutely no need to change the law because downloading has no proven negative impact on the production of national culture.


I wish our government was this sensible.


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"the [downloaders] will eventually spend the money saved on entertainment products."

This confuses me. Even if we assume it's the case, rather than the downloaders just saying "Hey, it's legal, why should I spend money on entertainment products?", how is getting, say, 2 products for the price of 1 not hurting copyright holders?

Time to enact trade sanctions on Switzerland. Of course, since we don't make anything tangible anymore, I don't know that they'll care.

Some quick Wiki-numbers addition suggests that our non-ticket sales Movie industry is around $9.6 billion a year, our music industry accounts for $13.3 billion a year, and, if we want to look at this as the opening shot in an IP policy in general, our software industry is a $120 billion a year chunk of our economy. Considering that intellectual property is about the only thing we export anymore in any significant quantity, I'd say that we should be concerned at notion that the rest of the world might decide that stealing the products responsible for 10% of our GDP is legal and not something they need to worry about.

This is a declaration of war against our economy. If we don't do something more than tell Switzerland "Hey, guys, that's not fair, we want you to rethink that," the rest of the world will follow suit. Because, frankly, entertainment and software is the one piece of the economy where we still dominate, so the impact on other nations' economies by such policies will be dwarfed by the potential damage to our own.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
...since we don't make anything tangible anymore, I don't know that they'll care.


That's just not true Kaff, the US is the worlds largest manufacturer (according to the data I've seen, but it's a year old).

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Vindicarre wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
...since we don't make anything tangible anymore, I don't know that they'll care.


That's just not true Kaff, the US is the worlds largest manufacturer (according to the data I've seen, but it's a year old).

Hmm. Okay. How much of that do we export? Perhaps that's the hang-up, then. All I know is, we've got massive trade deficits, and you don't get that by being a big exporter.

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The US exported $1.289 trillion in 2010.
As a method of comparison the rest of the top 5:
China $1.581
Germany $1.337
Japan $.765
France $.517

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How much of that exporting is non-IP related material, though?

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The numbers I gave you above were just for goods. The US total exports, goods and services, were $1.837T in 2010.
According to the data I could find, in 2009 IP (royalties and license fees) accounted for $83B, in 2009 the total exports of the US, goods and services, were $1.575T. What's that ~5%?

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Good for Switzerland.


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according to the CIA factbook, the trade from the US only makes up 5.3% of Switzerland's imports

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/sz.html


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The other reason embargoes probably won't be very effective, directly. But it would send the message to other countries that we're willing to defend our economy.

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