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Hmmms, Georgia Southern and Mississippi State somehow ended up Georgia State and Southern Mississippi in my head. In any case, Alabama's schedule isn't as easy as you think. Auburn and Florida aren't terrible. Oklahoma State, though, ...

Well, again, you're asking they be allowed to play a game they can't win.

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Florida is terrible. OU destroyed FSU, FSU destroyed Florida. I've seen them play. They would beat Kansas (of course), it would be a tossup game between TTech and Florida that likely TTech would win. ISU would have no problem with them. I never said Auburn was terrible, but they aren't that good either. I doubt you've ever seen OSU play. Honestly, I've found SEC fans to be the most ignorant fans of football outside their conference. They typically know absolutely nothing about any team outside their conference, never seen them play. You could name any BCS team in the country, and the typical college football fan would likely be able to name what conference they were in. It is doubtful that the typical SEC fan could name half of them.

So, basically, you're just mad the SEC dominates NCAA football? The longer the thread goes on, the more its apparent you simply think the SEC shouldn't be playing for the championship. Why not see if Oklahoma State can beat Alabama first?

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I think it is unfair to let any conference dominate college football to the extent that other teams aren't even given a chance. I was against the Big 10 getting both Ohio State and Michigan in the championship game 5 years ago, and was glad Florida got in. There is a limit to how well you can evaluate teams that haven't played each other. I believe the only matchup between the SEC and Big 12 so far this year has been the Big 12's 7th place team, versus the SEC's 3rd place team. A&M was up 35-17 at halftime and managed to piss the game away and lose by 4. Ironically, if A&M manages to win that game, OSU would have likely ended up in the championship game. Is it fair that because A&M lost that game that we don't even get a chance to see how OSU would do against LSU?

Oh, and I would LOVE to see if OSU could beat Alabama. Plus one anybody?

See, here's the problem though ...

The SEC has to play the majority of its games against itself; and, while that can be said of most conference, have you considered how improbable that makes the conference's BCS success?

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Apparently not very improbable. And half the SEC sucks. It is a very top heavy conference this year. Its top teams are good, but otherwise it is fairly weak this year. Traditional powers Florida and Tennesee are WAY down. But if you are typical of most SEC fans, you have likely seen very little of any teams outside the SEC, and so you just make the assumption that any team outside the SEC must suck, because they don't play in the SEC.

No, see, you're simply assuming things because you want to believe SEC fans are ignorant and biased; you've got an axe to grind, Aegnor.

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SEC fans are ignorant and biased compared to other college football fans. They eat, drink, and breathe SEC football, and couldn't give a damn about any other conference team.

Except they aren't ...

You simply want to believe this because you have an axe to grind. You're just asserting the same thing over and over ...

I mean, seriously ...

Alabama played 5 Top 25 Teams
Georgia played 5 Top 25 Teams
Auburn played 6 Top 25 Teams
LSU played 8 Top 25 Teams
South Carolina only played 2 Top 25 Teams

That said, that's 5 teams in the Top 25. That's 20% of the field.

The SEC gets media coverage and press coverage and general fan coverage because it provides competitive football year after year after year. Hell, like I said ...

Look at Vanderbilt and their 6-6 year. UConn, Wake Forrest, and Army aren't exactly pushovers even in "unranked" years. I'm really not counting Elon. But Vanderbilt also had to play 8 games against the SEC, including Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss and South Carolina. They also played Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee.

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So, Aegnor, do you want multiple championships based on division or something? I don't watch college ball other than highlights so I have no idea how any of this **** works or why it even matters. Does an SEC college automatically have more athletic students?

No they didn't. They played 4 top 25 teams

#22 Penn St.
#6 Arkansas
#1 LSU
#25 Auburn (why is this team ranked, give me a break)

Interestingly enough? Those are the only teams they've played with a winning record (outside Georgia Southern which really shouldn't count). OSU has played 7 teams with a winning record and 9 bowl bound teams to Alabama's 5 teams with a winning record and 7 bowl bound teams.

Not going to go through the rest of your list and check it, as I'm not sure its relevant.



You'll notice that the Big 12 also has 5 teams in the top 25 (4 in the top 15). Only we have just 10 teams compared to SEC's 12, and every team has to play all the other teams. How did Alabama do against Georgia? Oh wait...



And I can point out Iowa State at 6-6. People blast OSU for losing to them (the day they found out about the plane crash and deaths), but Iowa State is a good team who has a history of knocking of teams (@Texas last year, @Nebraska a couple years ago). Also, they've beaten Iowa (a bowl team), and UConn (which you've stated isn't a pushover). ISU beat them on the road, while Vanderbilt beat them at home. ISU also had to play against 9 Big 12 teams and 8 bowl bound teams (compared to Vanderbilt's 6 bowl bound opponents). ISU would destroy Vanderbilt.

And I really cannot believe you keep bringing up Ole Miss to support your argument. Why would you do that? I don't brag about OSU, KState, or ISU beating KU. Florida...terrible...Kentucky...terrible...Tennessee...terrible...Ole Miss...wtf-terrible...

Looking at the resumes there is no doubt whatsoever that OSU has the better resume. Alabama got in because they are from the SEC.

Umm...no. Multiple championship? Not sure what you mean by that, but no.

I want other teams to be able to have a shot at a title. Having a rematch between two SEC teams, especially when OSU has a better resume than one of them is ridiculous.

Florida was ranked #12 when Bama played them. That makes 5.

I wouldn't call Florida a bad team.....maybe mediocre. The one game they lost they should have done better, Fla State. Their other losses all to ranked SEC teams, Bama, LSU, Auburn, Ga, and SC. Definitely a down year for their program.

Auburn is not a bad team. They are definitely not the power house they usually are. 7-5 record, with their only loss outside of the SEC being Clemson, a very good team.

Tennessee definitely are way down, as are Ole Miss. Kentucky is usually a middle of the road program, along with Miss State and Vandy. None are pushovers, but definitely not power houses either.

SCar and Ga are pretty strong programs, and Arkansas are top tier.

Florida is very unranked now. Their ranking when Alabama played them is completely irrelevant. Should Miami and Baylor be knocked way down for losing to an unranked Kansas State that everyone assumed would be the 8th best team in the Big 12 instead of the 8th team in the country where they ended up? Of course not. Just as it would be ridiculous to give Alabama credit for beating a #12 Florida team when they sucked, but people hadn't figured that out yet.

It doesn't matter after the fact, Aegnor. When arguing how many ranked teams a particular team played during the season, you count them as they were played, during the season. If a team was ranked #1 in week 3, but fell to #10 at the end of the year, a team still states it beat the #1 team in week 3 of their schedule. It affects their ranking at that point of the season also, not at the end.

OSU beat the #8 TAMU back in their 4th game, the highest ranked opponent they faced during the season. The fact that TAMU is now unranked doesn't count against their ranking at the end of the season. They were given credit for beating the #8 ranked team during that particular week.

Your argument on this point makes no sense.

Actually, the fact that TAMU is now unranked does count against OSU. If a team beats the #1 team in the nation at week 3, the voters that week will base their voting on that and give them a big boost. If that former #1 then proceeds to lose a bunch of games and fall out of the rankings entirely, voters will take that into account that their big win doesn't look as big anymore (or at least they should...some voters are idiots).

In the media which method they use (rank at time of the game or current rank) varies. Most at this time of the year, when the final BCS rankings have come out, use the current BCS rankings unless they are trying to manipulate stats to make an argument.

You don't think it is a bit disingenuous to claim a top 15 win against a 6-6 Florida team?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/tea ... imson-tide

4-1 vs. Top 25. So, lemme know how they only played 4 games.

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I feel like I am having to explain myself over and over, so once again....no.

Florida was the #12 team in the nation when Bama played them. Bama's ranking was adjusted after that game based on defeating the #12 team in the nation.

Florida lost it's QB during that game, and for the next 2 games. How that affected them going forward I don't know. But at the time Bama played them, polls determined them as the #12 team.

I can't make that anymore plain.

Don't you even feel a little bit of a twinge when you claim that? I mean I can go back and readjust my numbers and give OSU the victory over a top ten A&M team, but that seems pretty pointless.

Why don't we do it this way. You can claim Alabama has 5 wins against top 25 teams, and I'll say isn't that nice (and irrelevant). And how many wins does Alabama have against the current top 25 BCS? All the rankings I listed are current rankings. Preseason rankings are garbage and should play no part whatsoever in deciding who plays for the national championship.

/boggle

Are you really this dense?

You know what? I give. You win.....

This.

Seriously. There's no way to win this argument. He's just being overly stubborn at this point.

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Are you kidding me? This minor point is what you are boggling over? Calling me dense? What the hell is with that seriously. I'm not even saying anything remotely controversial. Rankings at the end of the season mean more than early season rankings. All I'm saying, is that Alabama beating a #14 at the time (#6 now) Arkansas should be considered more impressive than OkSU beating a #8 at the time (unranked now) A&M.

If you really don't believe that to be true then...I don't really know what to say. Maybe I'm not understanding you.

Shouldn't LSU and Alabama play in the SEC title game if they're both that good?

I mean, then the winner of that game could play the winner of another conference's championship game right?

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Holy shitsnacks!

They are both in the same division and already played each other (LSU beat Alabama at Alabama). You know, it very well could be true that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country. I am not denying that possibility at all. But LSU and Alabama already played. We can say fairly confidently that LSU is better than Alabama, since they beat them on their home field. Even if Alabama should beat LSU in the title game, it will be hard to say that Alabama is better. They'd be tied, with Alabama's win coming on a neutral field, and LSU's on the road.

Ranking teams and trying to figure out when team is better, is a very very inexact science. And so while LSU and Alabama may be the two best teams, it could also be that everyone is completely wrong, just as they were in '07 with Michigan and Ohio State, and Oklahoma St is the best team. It is just frustrating that even though OkSU has a better resume than Alabama, they will never even get the chance to prove themselves against LSU.

LSU's opponents have averaged 10.5 points a game. They have the #2 Defense in the NCAA by the numbers. Alabama has the best Defense in the NCAA by the numbers. Oklahoma State's defense is #107. Granted Alabama's offense is ranked 30th and LSU is ranked 75th ...

But let's think about this ...

Alabama and LSU score by running the ball (primarily); Alabama and LSU win because their defenses keep your offense off the field. Alabama and LSU win because their offenses are competent enough to get first downs over and over and over again on 3 yard run.

Oklahoma State has to throw the ball. They have to win, just as they have all season, by winning the TD trading game. Guess what happens when you go up against team that don't allow more than 12 points a game average? When you go up against defenses that allow less than 200 yards a game across the season? You get beaten by LSU's Secondary. You get beaten by Alabama's defense. And as it stands, Oklahoma State can't stop Alabama or LSU from scoring.

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