The Glade 4.0

There were insinuation that governments want control of the citizenry up to and including incarceration and elimination.

Allowing this dirt bag access to the forum for his crap seems to belie that, but I'm not someone who holds to that opinion.

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Wasn't aware of that.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Yeah, it was rolled up in the death penalty argument from what I can tell. Allowing the death penalty is a "bad thing" 'cause the government will consider that a "power" it has and will then misuse it for control purposes, along with a side order of "1984".

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In other words, standard fare.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Government always has and always will abuse the powers it is given.

Generally, such abuses can be corrected to some extent. It's really hard to correct killing someone.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Saying that government "abuses power" is simplistic. Different governments do different things. Western, democratic governments go to great lengths to avoid abusing power when it comes to the death penalty. China, sure, they just kill whoever the **** they want.

In point of fact, it's practically impossible to find anyone who was wrongfully executed in this country, despite frantic efforts on the part of anti-death penalty activists.

Most importantly, however, arguments about "giving the government the power to kill its citizens" are irrelevant; that isn't the issue. The issue is whether the courts should eb able to sentence people to death, and if so how. When it's done by a jury, like in this country, it cannot be said to be "the government killing its citizens." It's other citizens making the decision to kill criminals (who may or may not be citizens) while the government's job is to make sure it is done in accordance with the law.

You also cannot have it both ways. If the government is really just going to ignore any limitations put on it whenever it wants, there's no point in limiting its power; it will do whatever it wants anyhow. If, on the other hand, there are means to limit its power, then arguments that "Government inevitably abuses its power!" fail because it does not inevitably abuse each and every power it is given. Governments are made up of people and contrary to what some people like to pretend, few Western politicians simply seek power, power, power, at all costs. They have their viewpoints on what ought to be done to make society better. Those may be misguided, and some of them may be petty, foolish, or stupid, but any argument that talks about what "government" does as if it were some sort of hive mind is utterly misguided.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Thing is, DE, the courts and justice system do not work, at all. I'd be surprised if half the convicted people are guilty, or half the guilty get convicted.

You're defending an utterly corrupt, incompetent, and undefendable system. The whole structure of your country really needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch, with the sovereignty of the individual and their rights entrenched far more firmly in the system, disabusing society of this notion that government is some how an "authority" or that they have any superiors to obey.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I dunno ...

I'd say the structure is fine, barring any amendments past the 10th ...

We just need to re-implement.

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Oh, sure, but that's the US. I believe I was responding to a slippery slope governmental power statement.

The slippery slope with executing citizens doesn't exist any more so than it does for jailing.

But you're correct. This guy isn't being jailed/executed to shut him up, so it doesn't really apply here.

They work just fine. Your personal distrust, based on nothing more than your own intuition is not evidence, nor a reason to distrust them.



Hardly. This is all just sheer nonsense. Government is the authority of your fellow citizens. They do have it. You don't get to chose whether society has authority over you or not, it does. If you get rid of government entirely, that will still be true, except that you won't have a nice man in black robes to complain to when they show up at your door with torches and pitchforks, and they're a lot more likely to do so because of issues lkike your sexual habits.

As for this rap about "authority", that's just teenage "I don't wanna follow any rules!" rephrased. I realize that you resent that there's laws saying you can't have all the free movies, music and books you want, but the fact is that our society is none of those things. I also realize it lets you sit there and think "Canada is so much better!" but it's not.

Individual problems exist, but simply raging that "no one is your superior!" is nothing more than childish ranting. You had better damn well want those people thinking they have to obey what the authority constituted by their fellows says, because if not what replaces it is a hell of a lot more likely to take away a hell of a lot more freedom, and for reasons you're liable to like a hell of a lot less.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You didn't read her post. Seriously, take off the blinders.

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Yes I did. Just shut up.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No, you apparently didn't. Otherwise, you might actually have responded to what she wrote instead of fabricating a statement she didn't make.

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That's called paraphrasing. I responded to what she said just fine.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No, paraphrasing actually respects the content of the original statement; your "paraphrase" intentionally misrepresents an obvious statement about legal equality and classism.

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No such obvious statement is made.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Except it is ...

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Nope, sorry.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You can keep ignoring the entirety of this sentence ...

Actually, that's what you're going to do. You're going stamp your feet on the ground and scream at the top of your lungs that Talya never posted that sentence. You're going to scream it doesn't have anything to do with equality, because ...

You're constitutionally incapable of admitting you're wrong.

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A well designed government would be a resource for its citizens to use; only a tyranny is an authority to be obeyed.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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That's because it's totally ridiculous.

You can't tear something down and rebuild it... governments, social structure, anything like that. It's not a tangible object. It's a ideal, codified and then instantiated.

Oh, you can tear it down, but once it's down there's nothing that exists to direct the rebuild. Iraq is about the most recent example, and the tearing down and rebuilding was directed from without.

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In time, this too shall pass.

This is just throwing words around and pretending to say something.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No, I'm just not ignoring it. You're imposing a meaning on it for Talya, and then screaming about me "missing it" just to have something to argue about and accuse me of "not admitting I'm wrong."

In other words, you're trolling... again.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Right, because it's somehow trolling to point out you're strawmanning Taly's argument. It's somehow trolling to disagree with you ...

And it's somehow trolling to demonstrate you can't accept the fact that you're wrong. We're through here, Monte.

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Yeah, yeah, nice try. The definition of strawmanning is not "failing to notice aspects of the argument that someone who didn't even make it in the first place claims are there."

Yes, it's trolling to claim I have a problem admitting I'm wrong since I don't. The problem is that you think "wrong" means "saying something Khross doesn't like."


You're building yourself quite a reputation here lately. Keep it up.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."