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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:47 pm 
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As I've said before, I only expect you to remember what I post when it's directed at you or your comments; hence, I used the phrase "participants in a conversation" ...

Had you not replied to the exact argument I'd make in this thread more than once in the past, I wouldn't expect you to remember it. You see, you throw out all these ad hominems, and I find your lack of attention to conversations in which you've been a willing and unsolicited participant vastly more insulting.

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Paul isn't going on the Libertarian ticket - that has already been claimed.

First of all - the results for the top 3 earned them the same number of delegates. (Although Paul will actually get the most delegates likely since the caucus itself is a straw poll and electing delegates to the convention is handled by staying after the caucus and agreeing to be a local delegate to the state convention).

Paul only shrank because of fundamentalism - the attacks on Paul for racism don't really have an effect in Republican circles because Republicans are used being called racists by democrats - the word has no power. Since that was the only new attack around thats that. Paul had about 2% less than polling indicated he would get - well within margin of error.

Paul is on the rise with a strong second in NH (more than double third place's numbers).

Santorum is nothing to worry about as he doesn't have the campaign infrastructure or money. Even with all this new excitement he has about 1 million dollars in the last revenue cycle. Paul 13 million Romney around 18 million.

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I predict that Santorum will drop out in about a month after no other state follows Iowa's lead.

If Dr. Paul stays pachyderm, he will stay in the chase. If Dr. Paul goes Libertarian it assures Obama the election. The core of the Red voters are voting against the extreme wing Tea Party as much as anything else, which makes Romney slightly more attractive to them. Gingrich still has way too many people who think of him as a failed General, who led the charge in the Contract with/on America and after a good mid-term victory, failed to achieve the long term goals.

Romney will win the primaries, whether the party leaders like it or not. The race will be determining who the vice residential candidate is.

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If you believe there are two actual parties at the Federal level, then the Republican Party is losing this election on purpose, too.

If you believe there is only a monoparty at the Federal level, then the Republican Party is merely providing political entertainment to appease the masses.

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As I've said before, I only expect you to remember what I post when it's directed at you or your comments; hence, I used the phrase "participants in a conversation" ...

Had you not replied to the exact argument I'd make in this thread more than once in the past, I wouldn't expect you to remember it. You see, you throw out all these ad hominems, and I find your lack of attention to conversations in which you've been a willing and unsolicited participant vastly more insulting.


Even if I were to agree with this, it only addresses one of seven annoying aspects of your posts. And yes, I remember your opinion. That still doesn't mean any of your posts even referenced this opinion, nor does it mean this is the particular opinion you are basing your statement on, nor does it address the fact that your opinion may have changed.

But, extrapolating your argument, I've been a participant in many threads where you were doing nothing more than trolling; as such, I can only assume the same here.

Make a point. If asked to clarify, just clarify. This is communication 101. It's not difficult. Knock off the obnoxiousness.


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Paul only shrank because of fundamentalism - the attacks on Paul for racism don't really have an effect in Republican circles because Republicans are used being called racists by democrats - the word has no power. Since that was the only new attack around thats that. Paul had about 2% less than polling indicated he would get - well within margin of error.


I don't think Paul shrank because of the racist attacks at all. I think he shrank because he got the spotlight on him and people learned more about him.


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No, you've been a participant in many threads where you've decided I was trolling; in fact, that's pretty much what do when anyone disagrees with you. It never occurred to you to take my comment at face value and leave it be? Seriously ...

"Heh ... so much funny."

That's a comment about your post. It doesn't need clarification; it doesn't need a second page; and it doesn't need you creating numbered lists because you don't know what I find funny. Indeed, in most cases, it's simply enough to accept that a person found your comment or post amusing. But, you know ...

You think you're entitled to an answer to your question ...

I think there's a word for that.

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No, you've been a participant in many threads where you've decided I was trolling; in fact, that's pretty much what do when anyone disagrees with you.


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holy crap man. no, that's you bro.

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It never occurred to you to take my comment at face value and leave it be? Seriously ...

"Heh ... so much funny."

That's a comment about your post. It doesn't need clarification; it doesn't need a second page; and it doesn't need you creating numbered lists because you don't know what I find funny. Indeed, in most cases, it's simply enough to accept that a person found your comment or post amusing.


So... **** say that. Why start with the insults? Why drag it out to 2 pages? Why not just say "eh, just found it funny." Why be a pain in the ***? Why not just leave it alone after my snarky "shh it's a secret" (which was me just leaving it alone). Or why not leave it alone after I said "I'm no longer interested?"

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You think you're entitled to an answer to your question ...

I think there's a word for that.


So what, I'm narcissistic for asking what you meant by your statement? My God, man. You're a nut.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Paul only shrank because of fundamentalism - the attacks on Paul for racism don't really have an effect in Republican circles because Republicans are used being called racists by democrats - the word has no power. Since that was the only new attack around thats that. Paul had about 2% less than polling indicated he would get - well within margin of error.


I don't think Paul shrank because of the racist attacks at all. I think he shrank because he got the spotlight on him and people learned more about him.


This assumes he actually shrank. 2% is within the margin of error of all the polls.

Once you come to Paul and understand its very unlikely people will leave him. I believe his rate of preference is something like 77%.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Khross doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between the candidates; essentially that the differences are trivial. This makes sense from his perspective, much like if you were standing on Pluto the difference between a person being in Florida versus one being in Montana would appear trivial as well.

The problem is that while people live in Montana and Florida, they don't live on Pluto, and Khross's perspective has very similar problems.


For the most part, though, I agree as stated above. Still, I think Santorum will make things worse. At least I know what Obama will do.

Let's all get crazy and vote for Ron Paul. What's the worst that can happen?

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I don't think he'd be able to put a theocracy in place even if he wanted too (which I'm not certain he would). If he does nothing got for four years, itd be better than four more years of Obama violating the rule of law.

It doesn't bother you the scary and illegal stuff he's done this week.

Every Senate Democrat should be ticked that Obama just lessened their power this week.

Every registered Democrat should be frightened that he can lock them up for the rest of their lives on a whim.

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We should all abstain from voting. All of America. Non-vote of non-confidence.

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Wwen it's a good idea on paper. However the people who think things are going in the right direction will still vote. So it doesn't do us any good to abstain in protest.

People aren't going to start doing right inside Washington until they start doing right outside Washington. I still contend that the people elected are representative of the citizens, in that if politicians are corrupt, self seeking individuals by and large, it's because we are too.

In the meantime I don't think this pox on both your houses mentality is gonna do us any good. I think anyone in the running (even my most undesirable Romney) would be a course correction vs Obama. It may be a tiny correction but it's got to be better than doubling down and going full speed ahead in the direction of the last three years.

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I don't think it's a good idea to vote for someone that you admittedly think has worse policies than the incumbent with the rationale of, "Well don't worry, he won't be able to pass anything anyway." That's just asking for disaster.

In addition to being a theocrat, Santorum is the biggest base-panderer I've ever seen. He wants to triple the personal deduction you can take for children - for married couples only. Single and head of household filers don't get it. In other words, he's basically promising that traditional, rural conservative families don't have to pay taxes, while everyone else does.


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He has joined Bachman in saying he will work to ban porn.

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Once you come to Paul and understand its very unlikely people will leave him. I believe his rate of preference is something like 77%.


"Come to Paul"- Is that like- "Come to the darkside?" :lol: Sounds very Star Warish.

Once you go to a plan of Paul's
You don't go back, you hear me smalls?

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I thought it sounded creepily cultish, oh wait, it is.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Paul only shrank because of fundamentalism - the attacks on Paul for racism don't really have an effect in Republican circles because Republicans are used being called racists by democrats - the word has no power. Since that was the only new attack around thats that. Paul had about 2% less than polling indicated he would get - well within margin of error.


I don't think Paul shrank because of the racist attacks at all. I think he shrank because he got the spotlight on him and people learned more about him.


This assumes he actually shrank. 2% is within the margin of error of all the polls.

Once you come to Paul and understand its very unlikely people will leave him. I believe his rate of preference is something like 77%.


I get that, but it's extreme loyalty from a small range of people. I'm convinced he will never have wide range appeal.


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It doesn't bother you the scary and illegal stuff he's done this week.


Was that directed at me? What did I post that gave you the impression these things don't bother me?


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Wwen wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Khross doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between the candidates; essentially that the differences are trivial. This makes sense from his perspective, much like if you were standing on Pluto the difference between a person being in Florida versus one being in Montana would appear trivial as well.

The problem is that while people live in Montana and Florida, they don't live on Pluto, and Khross's perspective has very similar problems.


For the most part, though, I agree as stated above. Still, I think Santorum will make things worse. At least I know what Obama will do.

Let's all get crazy and vote for Ron Paul. What's the worst that can happen?


I probably will if given the opportunity. But it won't amount to much.


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Just in general.

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Micheal wrote:
I thought it sounded creepily cultish, oh wait, it is.



Creepy and cultish is to finally wake up from the false dilemma presented as modern political reality?

We get it, you're a cranky old man. Go take a nap.

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Creepy and cultish is to finally wake up from the false dilemma presented as modern political reality?

Wrapping a false dilemma within another false dilemma is how you make an enigma.

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We should all abstain from voting. All of America. Non-vote of non-confidence.


http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Jose-Saramago/dp/B003IWYKJ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325866816&sr=8-1

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/apr/15/featuresreviews.guardianreview16

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Honestly, I think a president should require not just >50% of the electoral votes, but also >50% of the popular vote. Voter apathy should count. None of the above should be a valid choice that can win an election.

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