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How’s that for fiscal conservatism? At a press conference in Louisville Thursday, the freshman Senator from Kentucky– one of the most visible of 2010′s “Tea Party candidates” on the national stage– announced that he would be returning a whopping $500,000 of his U.S. Senate office’s operating budget to the U.S. Treasury.

The announcement comes as the nation struggles with massive fiscal crises on a local, state, and federal level, with federal spending and even federal deficits not only measuring in the trillions, but growing by the trillions with no end in sight. Make no mistake, every other “major” issue or controversy in politics today is ancillary to the problem of unsustainable (to the point of collective insanity) borrowing and spending by governments, companies, and individuals the world over.

Rand Paul’s Senate office claims that as far as it knows, no U.S. Senator has returned so much of its operating budget to the nation’s taxpayers, noting also that it represents 16% of Senator Paul’s original budget allotment. Presenting an over-sized check for $500,000 to his constituents, Rand Paul said:

“I ran to stop the reckless spending. And I ran to end the damaging process of elected officials acting as errand boys, competing to see who could bring back the biggest check and the most amount of pork.

I hope this sets an example for the rest of government – at all levels. We can carry out our duties in a fiscally responsible way. Government can be both smart and efficient. We are proving that – and trying to convince the rest of Washington.”

Paul’s office claims the savings came despite his being the “most active” of all freshman Senators’ offices, pointing out that Rand Paul introduced more legislation and amendments than any other freshman Senator in his first year, including “spending cut amendments to nearly every bill,” and was one of only three offices in Washington “to produce an entire fiscal blueprint for the federal government.” The Rand Paul plan would balance the federal budget in five years.

Rand Paul is an apple that doesn’t fall far from the tree. His father, a U.S. Congressman from Texas and 2012 presidential candidate also has a detailed federal budget plan that would balance the federal budget in just three years, and is notorious for always returning a portion of his annual office budget to the U.S. Treasury. Last year, Ron Paul returned over $140,000 of his congressional budget.

Across the aisle, Congressman Bill Owens (D-NY), who joined the ranks of Congress after winning the hotly-contested NY-23 special election in 2009, also returned a portion of his congressional office budget in 2011. Last year, his office reported a surplus of over $230,000– 15% of his annual allotment and even more than Congressman Paul’s surplus. Like Senator Rand Paul, for both the elder Paul and Congressman Owens, returning the money is about living out their own principles and sending a message to others in Washington.

Paul says:

“Since my first year in Congress I have managed my office in a frugal manner, instructing staff to provide the greatest possible service to the people of the 14th district at the least possible cost to taxpayers”

Owens agrees, saying:

“We cannot seriously talk about reducing the national debt and deficit without first operating our own offices in a fiscally responsible manner.”

Now of course Rand Paul’s $500,000 is a drop in the bucket of a trillion dollar federal budget with trillion dollar deficits, but imagine if the rest of the government’s offices and agencies could trim 16% from their expenses without legislation, without reform, but by simply choosing to be better stewards of the taxpayers’ money through sheer force of will and principled determination like Rand Paul!

Cutting sixteen percent from Washington’s $3.729 trillion budget for 2012 would mean a savings of over half a trillion dollars at $596,640,000,000, enough to cut 2012′s federal budget deficit (which sits at $1.101 trillion) in half! That would be a REAL stimulus package for a lagging economy.

It would amount to $2000 in savings for the year for every person in the United States if we divide it by 300 million. The White House wanted to know what you could do with an extra $40 in your biweekly paycheck, which amounts to $960 a year. Let’s double that amount and ask what you could do with it.

Now don’t take this article as an endorsement for the Kentucky Senator (who won’t be up for reelection until 2016), as we don’t do electoral endorsements here, but it is certainly an endorsement of his behavior and his principles, specifically the principle that you cannot consume what you have not produced, and its corollary that no person or nation can go on indefinitely spending money that it has not earned.

Unless other Washington politicians and bureaucrats begin to urgently adopt, live out, and legislate these principles, all of this unearned money representing the consumption of uncreated wealth will finally collapse under the weight of its own unsustainability– maybe even before this decade is over just as we depict in our upcoming film, Silver Circle.

If we can just get everyone on board with this principle, they will all soon realize that the best way to stop spending money we don’t have is to stop it at the source. Stop the printing! Stop the “easing!” Stop the lending. End the Fed!

And don’t forget to visit our official website to learn more about the Silver Circle Movie:http://SilverCircleMovie.com

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Good for him. It shows your serious. This is the same idea that i would like to have a distributed or part time congress.

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That's the kind of **** that makes me want to move to Kentucky.

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Well...damn near there now.

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Great move on his part.

Is no one else disturbed that EVERY Senator is allotted $3.125M as their operating budget per year? I wonder how much Congressmen get.

Also, Kaffis you move to Kentucky for the alcohol :)

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Also, Kaffis you move to Kentucky for the alcohol :)

Lots of "dry counties" there when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell in '75, all they allowed was 3.2 beer.

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Also, Kaffis you move to Kentucky for the alcohol :)
Lots of "dry counties" there when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell in '75, all they allowed was 3.2 beer.
You obviously don't know much about Kentucky alcohol then ...

"Dry County" is synonymous with "fantastic moonshine to be had here."

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Great move on his part.

Is no one else disturbed that EVERY Senator is allotted $3.125M as their operating budget per year? I wonder how much Congressmen get.


I was wondering about that too. What exactly does that entail?

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Congressmen get allotted $1.5M each per year. Why is a Senator's twice that?

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Representatives?

Yeah. Reps get 1.5M per year.

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Reps can hire up to 18 staffers. I assume their office budget comes out of the same pool. Even if 100% of their budget went to staff, That works out to $83,333 a year for each. Given that some are likely attorneys and make considerably more than that, I'm thinking that 1.5m isn't that excessive. (Particularly with the cost of living in DC)

Senators have no limit to the number of staffers they can hire.

I rather imagine a significant portion of that money goes to running the office as well, paying for supplies, mailings, etc. I don't know if they have a separate travel budget. One could see that the senators from Hawaii or Alaska might have significantly higher travel costs than say, Maryland.

edit: apparently senatorial budgets are linked to the size of the state, so a senator from a larger state (I assume by population not land area) receives a bigger budget.


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Yeah, my reaction to that article was HOLY CRAP THEIR BUDGETS ARE HUGE


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On a related note:
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January 06, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff


The new Republican-led House of Representatives voted Thursday to cut its operating budget by 5% -- a move meant to reflect the GOP's desire to reduce the size of the federal government.

The measure, which GOP aides claim will save $35 million, passed 410-13.

For the chamber's 435 members, who last year were allotted about $1.5 million each, the cut will mean trimming their budgets by $75,000 -- the equivalent of about 1.5 full-time staffers.

The $35 million in cuts amount to 0.001% of Washington's $3.5 trillion annual federal budget.



"Thirty-five million is absolutely nothing in terms of debt. It's not even a decimal point," said Craig Jennings, the director of federal fiscal policy at OMB Watch, a group that monitors federal spending.

Republicans insist the cut is a good starting point before pushing larger spending reductions.

"It is a down payment on the future actions of this House," said Rep. Dan Lungren, R-California.

The measure focuses on reducing the operating budgets of House committees, leadership offices and individual member offices. It does not affect Senate funding.

Each lawmaker is responsible for deciding how to allot individual office funds, and can choose how to implement his or her share of the cut.

"If the 5% comes out of salaries of staff, that could be pretty ... painful for them, because a lot of the staff are very young professionals who don't get paid much to begin with," Jennings said.

A congressional chief of staff on Capitol Hill might make more than $130,000 a year, but other staffers -- schedulers, legislative assistants and staff assistants -- make less than $50,000, according to the non-partisan Sunlight Foundation.

Some lawmakers might try to find other places to cut so they can keep staff salaries at their current levels.

A 5% cut is just slight enough to avoid "cutting into the bone," according to Bradford Fitch, CEO of the Congressional Management Foundation, a non-partisan organization focused on improving the efficiency of Congress.

For lawmakers, that might mean fewer trips to their home districts, the consolidation of district offices or scaling back communications expenses.

If that's the case, constituents might suffer.

"It could have a real impact on constituent services," Fitch said. "The mail might not get answered."


Can I just say WTF? to the bolded sections?

This guy Fitch, whose job is to "improve the efficiency of Congress" says that 5% "is just slight enough to avoid cutting into the bone" (!) but the "mail might not get answered"? It seems to me that a couple of things are very wrong here. At least half of a Congressman's job is to deal with constituents. Not answering the mail is unacceptable. A 5% cut is responded to with that sort of hyperbole by a guy who is supposed to make Congress more efficient - I guess that's Washington DC.

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This is what government gets into government for: To take your money and spend it. Government is a con job.

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Vindi, that exact article was the source of my 1.5M and I had the same WTF moments as you lol

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The amount of exposure by getting in the news for giving back $500,000 would have cost a hell of a lot more had Paul paid for it himself.

In effect, he paid for political advertisement out of his congressional budget.

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The amount of exposure by getting in the news giving back $500,000 would have cost a hell of a lot more had Paul paid for it himself.

In effect, he paid for political advertisement out of his congressional budget.



This.. not to mention the additional press his dad will get. (and the confusion that will give the credit to his father by people who DONT know that he's Ron Paul's son)


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The amount of exposure by getting in the news giving back $500,000 would have cost a hell of a lot more had Paul paid for it himself.

In effect, he paid for political advertisement out of his congressional budget.



This.. not to mention the additional press his dad will get. (and the confusion that will give the credit to his father by people who DONT know that he's Ron Paul's son)


This is only news worthy because so few elected officials behave this way. If frugality in government was commonplace, he wouldn't have "purchased" anything. That said, do you think his efforts are misguided, or made in poor judgement?

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Also, Kaffis you move to Kentucky for the alcohol :)
Lots of "dry counties" there when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell in '75, all they allowed was 3.2 beer.
You obviously don't know much about Kentucky alcohol then ...

"Dry County" is synonymous with "fantastic moonshine to be had here."


Which is great if you like moonshine or breaking the law. Not so much if you like other forms of alcohol.


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This is only news worthy because so few elected officials behave this way. If frugality in government was commonplace, he wouldn't have "purchased" anything. That said, do you think his efforts are misguided, or made in poor judgement?

I think his efforts are a drop in a bucket. They are self-serving and provide no appreciable benefit to anyone who's last name isn't Paul.

That's not to say that I'm accuse anyone of posturing or acting in a self-serving manner, I think the father and son's behavior is consistently ultra-conservative and ethical.

Giving back money to the government just gives the government more money. Give it back to the people and we can start talking a different talk.

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"Dry County" is synonymous with "fantastic moonshine to be had here."
Which is great if you like moonshine or breaking the law. Not so much if you like other forms of alcohol.
Seriously? Kentucky is Kentucky; if you want to know why a county is dry, odds are it has more to do with who profits from that situation than any religious fundamentalism or blue laws.

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Also silver circle movie site is pretty cool.

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"Dry County" is synonymous with "fantastic moonshine to be had here."
Which is great if you like moonshine or breaking the law. Not so much if you like other forms of alcohol.
Seriously? Kentucky is Kentucky; if you want to know why a county is dry, odds are it has more to do with who profits from that situation than any religious fundamentalism or blue laws.


Um, where did I mention anything about why counties are dry or not? I don't really care what the reasons are, the point is that your original comment is only valid if you like moonshine and don't mind breaking the law by purchasing said moonshine.


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Aizle wrote:
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"Dry County" is synonymous with "fantastic moonshine to be had here."
Which is great if you like moonshine or breaking the law. Not so much if you like other forms of alcohol.
Seriously? Kentucky is Kentucky; if you want to know why a county is dry, odds are it has more to do with who profits from that situation than any religious fundamentalism or blue laws.


Um, where did I mention anything about why counties are dry or not? I don't really care what the reasons are, the point is that your original comment is only valid if you like moonshine and don't mind breaking the law by purchasing said moonshine.


How is his comment only valid if you like moonshine? I don't like Sushi; does that mean that comparisons of sushi aren't valid to me? I can accept just fine that if I did like Sushi, certain sushi would be better.

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